Another major Ariston find

rschussel

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This is the second time in about 15 months that I discovered a previously unknown 12size Ariston grade. In May of 2021 I posted information about a 12 size 17j Ariston Grade 273 Hunter. Below is a link to that posting.

https://mb.nawcc.org/threads/major-ariston-find.179476/

I just acquired an open face 12 size grade 273 19j Ariston adj to 3 positions in a 14kt Ariston case --serial number 1,901,574 –a grade that had been previously unknown. (See pictures below) It was contained in a run of 100 open face 19j grade 273 adj 3 positions open face movements.
D Ariston 19j adj 3 positions # 1,901,574 open face mvt in 14kt Ariston case first known example.jpg A Ariston 19j Grade 273 3adj open face dial.jpg B Ariston 19j 3 adj open face outside cover.jpg C Ariston 19 j 3 adj grade 273 inside cover.jpg
What makes these two finds so unusual is that Ariston's tend to be more desirable/collectable than most of the private label brands manufactured by Illinois. With greater interest I would have thought that these grades would already have been known.

Background
The first private label Ariston's were sold by Marshall Fields (the Macys/Tiffany's of Chicago) around 1905.
Ariston's had a unique enamel dial and were offered in 16, 12 and O size. The 12 & 16 size movements were offered in both open face and hunting and the 12 and O size were offered in Ariston marked cases (GF and 14kt). The 16 size movements were cased in Ariston gold filled marked cases.

The below table shows the 12 size Ariston's sold from about 1905 to 1912. The grades highlighted in RED were those that I discovered in the past 15 months. For the first time it is now evident that 17 j to 23 j Ariston's were being offered in both hunter and open face.

After 1912 only open face Ariston's were sold as Hunting case watches became less popular. The only exception was the 17j Grade 506 Hunter (N=30). From 1905 to 1912 I estimate only about 450 12 size Ariston watches were sold.

GRADE MVT Jewels O/H Production
273 Ariston 17 O 80
273 Ariston 17 H 50
273 Ariston 19 H 90
273 Ariston 19 O ?
299 Ariston USA 21 O 70
299 Ariston USA 21 H 70
299 Ariston USA 23 O 30
299 Ariston USA 23 H 20
















 
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Jerry Treiman

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Nice research, Bob. I think the ARISTON is my favorite Illinois private label. I particularly like the custom bridges on the next series of 12 and 12/14 size movements -
509Ariston.jpg
 

rschussel

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This is the second time in about 15 months that I discovered a previously unknown 12size Ariston grade. In May of 2021 I posted information about a 12 size 17j Ariston Grade 273 Hunter. Below is a link to that posting.

https://mb.nawcc.org/threads/major-ariston-find.179476/

I just acquired an open face 12 size grade 273 19j Ariston adj to 3 positions in a 14kt Ariston case --serial number 1,901,574 –a grade that had been previously unknown. (See pictures below) It was contained in a run of 100 open face 19j grade 273 adj 3 positions open face movements.
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What makes these two finds so unusual is that Ariston's tend to be more desirable/collectable than most of the private label brands manufactured by Illinois. With greater interest I would have thought that these grades would already have been known.

Background
The first private label Ariston's were sold by Marshall Fields (the Macys/Tiffany's of Chicago) around 1905.
Ariston's had a unique enamel dial and were offered in 16, 12 and O size. The 12 & 16 size movements were offered in both open face and hunting and the 12 and O size were offered in Ariston marked cases (GF and 14kt). The 16 size movements were cased in Ariston gold filled marked cases.

The below table shows the 12 size Ariston's sold from about 1905 to 1912. The grades highlighted in RED were those that I discovered in the past 15 months. For the first time it is now evident that 17 j to 23 j Ariston's were being offered in both hunter and open face.

After 1912 only open face Ariston's were sold as Hunting case watches became less popular. The only exception was the 17j Grade 506 Hunter (N=30). From 1905 to 1912 I estimate only about 450 12 size Ariston watches were sold.

GRADE MVT Jewels O/H Production
273 Ariston 17 O 80
273 Ariston 17 H 50
273 Ariston 19 H 90
273 Ariston 19 O ?
299 Ariston USA 21 O 70
299 Ariston USA 21 H 70
299 Ariston USA 23 O 30
299 Ariston USA 23 H 20
















The possible number of Grade 273 19j Open Face could vary from 10 to 100.
I corresponded with Jim Caroll who Illinois Watch Guide was the most extensive database for 12 size Illinois watches.

At this time my watch is the only serial number he has for the production run 1,901,500 to 600.

On another note, I would hope that the NAWCC would take over Jims's website site. It is probably the best designed one I have used, and it would be a shame if it was not resurrected.
 

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Bob, thank you for posting this ARISTON newcomer. Nice find-congrats! Very interesting data and great pics too!

Can you attach a link for Jim's site? I don't believe I have it.

Thanks again-
 

Jerry Treiman

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Unfortunately Jim's marvelous web site is no longer on line. I believe there was a problem with his web host.
 

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Marty 101 and Jerry, almost nothing ever goes away in cyberspace. It just becomes harder to find. Here is a still functioning link to Jim Carroll's website, at least to the portion of the website that I found highly useful.

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Here is a link to its page on Grade 273. Page Title

I found these on the Internet Archive, a.k.a. the "Wayback Machine", which is one of the many charities my wife and I support. I encourage all of you to support it as well.
 
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Marty101

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Ethan I have heard of this site but never been there-thank you.
 

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