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$ Anonymous18 K Gold Moon Phase Minute RepeaterDay Date Month Chronograph: Value Pl.

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This watch which seems like grand complication and a rarity. It is a minute repeater moon phase chronograph with day, date, month and also has stop watch (one minute chronograph). It is 18 K solid gold and identified as such on this very forum by some helpful members.

It is anonymous and there are no names at all on visible portions. Various assay marks and import marks have been photographed and pictures and videos submitted here for the benefit of fraternity. The inscriptions read 37906 on the inside of outer gold plate and 89579 on the inside movement. Various logos are seen in the photos. There is some mark underneath 37906 also which I am sure discerning eyes can make out. (Does it say SP? Stockwell?)


The video can be seen here
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Reqquest the forum to put a value to it on a coservative side and optimistic side,

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POM



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Re: Anonymous18 K Gold Moon Phase Minute RepeaterDay Date Month Chronograph: Value P

The condition of the watch looks good, but there is something wrong with the chronograph. If should start, stop and return to zero on successive pushes of the chronograph button.

Others disagree, but I associate push repeating with lower quality work and have similar feelings about the exposed governor for the repeating works.

A grand complication has split seconds chronograph and perpetual calendar, so do not confuse prices you may see for those with this watch.

Given all its "deficiencies" it looks like a good solid chronograph with moon phase calendar and push minute repeating. It is a well to do shopkeeper's watch, not a rich man's watch. I would value it at about $6,000 on the low side and perhaps a little less with the chronograph problem (a $1500 to $2000 repair) and would think that $10,000 would be a reasonable insurance replacement value.
 

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Re: Anonymous18 K Gold Moon Phase Minute RepeaterDay Date Month Chronograph: Value P

Thanks Tom

This one is NOT perpetual but has everything else. And chronograph problem is due to loose centre second. That said, ofcourse that is a deficiency. Supposing that I wanted to sell it for 20000 USD, willl I get kicked on my back or I may have chances?
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Re: Anonymous18 K Gold Moon Phase Minute RepeaterDay Date Month Chronograph: Value P

POM, it is not split second it does not have an elapsed time register and it is not perpetual calendar and it is push rather than slide repeating.

As I said, I think that $10,000 is the retail insurance replacement value but that is why this is a forum so that others may disagree. Many consider me to be a notorious cheapskate. :)

If I were of a mind to buy it for resale, I certainly would not pay over $7,000 for it even after a thorough examination. The problem may just be a loose chronograph hand, but it is difficult to get a watchmaker to take responsibility for a complicated expensive watch without allowing for disassembly.
 

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Re: Anonymous18 K Gold Moon Phase Minute RepeaterDay Date Month Chronograph: Value P

Tom
Appreciate it. It is always better to err on the side of caution and be in for pleasant surprise than error on the side of overoptimism and be in for a rude shock! I think I will try to negotiate around 6K with a fervent hope that I can sell it off. That cost itself would be roughly sixmonths salary for me and I cant afford it for myself!:) So may be, I will dispose of TWO of my Roamer Alarm wrist watch whose value assessment I am putting in a different post with the hope that some Roamer enthusiast will pay an aspirationsl and acquisitional price rather than market price.

Thanks

Wish some more members chipped in.
 

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Re: Anonymous18 K Gold Moon Phase Minute RepeaterDay Date Month Chronograph: Value P

POM, you must stop using terms incorrectly if you want to get a good reputation as a seller. As Tom has explained, this is not a grand complication and it is not a rarity in the normal accepted meaning of that word. The chronograph is simple, not being a split seconds and also lacking a 30-minute register. I note that you said that "chronograph problem is due to loose centre second" but I doubt that you can be sure about that - it may indeed turn out to be far more expensive than that, and if I were buying it I would insist that you repair the chronograph feature first, or else I would allow Tom's reasonable estimate of $1,500 for a repair!

I sold a very similar watch (shown below) just over a year ago. It was unsigned but with the movement identified as LeCoultre and in a 14K case (which would value your 18K case about $500 higher than mine). The crucial difference between our watches is that mine was a quarter repeater and that alone would place yours maybe $1,500 higher than mine.

So comparing the two watches the features of yours place it perhaps $2,000 higher than mine, but then we need to take away an optimistic estimate of $1,000 to get the chronograph fixed, which means that yours is worth $1,000 than mine. I assume your movement works and keeps reasonable time, and that the repeater works perfectly? If not then all bets are off :excited:

Now to the crunch. My watch sold at auction in September 2011 for $5,300. I wouldn't say the market has increased at all in this type of watch, so I would value yours at $6,700. A reasonable range would be $5,500 - 7,500 retail, and correspondingly less if you auction this through an auction house charging buyers' premium.

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Re: Anonymous18 K Gold Moon Phase Minute RepeaterDay Date Month Chronograph: Value P

Thanks Martin for an informative take!

Its NOT a grand complication (I believe it loses out on 'perpetuity' count, split second and 30 second?). Well, rarer I used in a loose sense of the term because I found only two such listed on ebay- one of which I believe is grand complication.

Your watch seems very good. As for the lose centre second, this is what the owner told me and I normally give benefit of doubt till contrary is proved.(By the way, it is NOT MY watch. not yet!)

As for actual rarity, I am trying to manage the pictures and video of what I consider to be a rarity-Martin, correct me if I am wrong, an erotic minute repeater 18 K solid gold with actual moving porcelain figures. Will it be alright to put pictures and videos on this forum (if I do lay my hands upon it) or it may be objected to by purists as vulgar and distasteful?
 

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Re: Anonymous18 K Gold Moon Phase Minute RepeaterDay Date Month Chronograph: Value P

... an erotic minute repeater 18 K solid gold with actual moving porcelain figures. Will it be alright to put pictures and videos on this forum ... or it may be objected to by purists as vulgar and distasteful?
Interesting question, POM :rolleyes:

I'm sure that there are some members who would object to erotic pictures and we would have to balance that objection against the fact that such watches are a well-established feature of horology. So we tend to look at these on a case by case basis.

I suggest that you PM or email the potentially controversial photos to me and I will post them to the Moderator Forum for discussion and give you an official response.
 

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Re: Anonymous18 K Gold Moon Phase Minute RepeaterDay Date Month Chronograph: Value P

Actually it is not a matter of sensitivity. We cannot legally allow erotic pictures since we do not check ages of those registering here. This site is open to children.

Sorry.
 

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Re: Anonymous18 K Gold Moon Phase Minute RepeaterDay Date Month Chronograph: Value P

Thanks Tom and Martin

To tell you the truth, I thought my question will be met with a laughable dismissal that "are you crazy that anybody will mind it here?!" And I find that it has INDEED been seriously considered as 'non grata'!

An instance of 'moral policing' in this internet age, is it? Ofcourse, this site is open to children and so are various other sites of medical texts, fashion designing, painting where informative and yet descriptive matters of what otherwise may amount to titillation, exists. I am only airing my views and opinion which I am sure all of you will grant to me. And I disagree with the official view and yet submit myself to the website's policy.

As Martin said, I will upload the video (if I do lay my hands upon it- belongs to a very aged aristoctatic person who may feel uneasy about sharing it) on you tube and PM him and Tom the URL. If they consider it appropriate, they can embed the link.

By the way, I request administrators to check on the legal position because pornography is different from erotic horology or explicit medical literature or diaphanous fashion designing, nudist painting. I donot think there would be anything illegal on these counts.
 

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Re: Anonymous18 K Gold Moon Phase Minute RepeaterDay Date Month Chronograph: Value P

The law in the U.S. is that you need to screen for children under the age of 13 if you have adult content of any kind on your web site that includes discussions. I think the reason behind the law is that sexual predators use such sites to make contact with children. Here is a link to the COPPA Organiztion.

I do not seriously believe that we have any significant number of 12 year olds visiting this site, but I don't want the added effort of screening for them.
 

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