Anon white dial, very unusual movement for age

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  1. novicetimekeeper

    novicetimekeeper Registered User

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    This is a real oddball.

    No identifying marks found so far. Very heavy iron dial suggesting early but the style suggests post 1830 and Northern England/Scotland.

    The movement is extremely unusual. Having knopped and ringed pillars makes it look more like 1730 than 1830 but there is no sign they don't belong together.

    Never seen a movement like it, real provincial quirkiness, not something you expect post 1830.

    It came with two brass cased lead weights which is why I bought it. It was in auction in Scotland, I was going to leave it up there and sell in the next auction, just have the weights and pulleys delivered, but it intrigued me so had the lot shipped.

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    It is missing a date wheel, which explains one of those holes under the snail but not the other.
     
  3. jmclaugh

    jmclaugh Registered User

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    It is an odd one. The dial certainly looks Scottish but as you say the movement appears to be a good deal earlier but I don't recall seeing one with plates shaped like that at the base before.
     
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    There is absolutely no evidence the dial and movement have not always been together, which does indeed make it very strange. The dial itself is very heavy gauge iron, and the painting a very high quality. Date wise it seems a conundrum, by 1830 I would expect to see a pretty standard movement, everything about this is non standard, the plates, the pillars, the rack design, the rack release, the repeat mechanism. It is the most peculiar juxtaposition but I can't see how it isn't original. All very odd.
     
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    Chris Radano Registered User

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    I have 3 Scottish fusees. All 3 have very robust movements, and are a little "different" than English.
     
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    I believe some dials were made in Scotland, that they weren't just painted to order in Birmingham. This may be one, the gauge of the iron is much more than I'd expect from a Birmingham dial. The movement could have been made there too, I don't know much about Scottish clockmaking.
     
  7. Uhralt

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    A Birmingham dial would also probably have a false plate to attach to the movement.

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    Falseplates had gone by 1830 pretty much everywhere I think. This doesn't follow the multi coloured look of later Scottish dials, it could still be Northern England, unfortunately I can't find a name on it, will have a look with UV.
     

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