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  1. Hogshair

    Hogshair Registered User

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    Hi all, as I don't have my copy of 'Clockmaking in England and Wales in the Twentieth Century' yet I thought I’d ask all you kind horologist’s out there for even more help. Is the clock in the picture another Perivale? Markings are 'Made in England'. Anyone know how many movements (as in type) Smith's made? I normally work on French mantel clock movements but I rescued a 'Perivale' (which this forum all helped identify) from a skip/dumpster not so long ago and I was immediately struck by its build, quite a beast!


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    Hogs.

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  2. new2clocks

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    I can not assist you with the identification of the movement maker, but I find it very interesting that the "Made in England" appears to not be a factory inscription. It appears that it was inscribed by hand and, IMO, after the movement was made or originally sold.

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  3. Hogshair

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    Hi new2clock, yes, I thought it a bit below par for a factory stamp. Perhaps the guy doing the engraving had too much Soju or Baijiu?
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  4. Steven Thornberry

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    The movement looks somewhat like the Enfield F2 movement, which Glanville and Wolmuth (Clockmaking in England and Wales in the Twentieth Century) show on page 230, figs. 5.87 and 5.88. Yet, there seem to be some small differences, as well. The inscriptions "Made in England" that they show on the F2 and its predecessor the F1 also don't look up to snuff, IMO. Hard to tell from the photos, however. Perhaps Jonathan will have some better information.
     
  5. jmclaugh

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    I'll have a look tomorrow as it would need a good thumb through, I'm sure Steven has done that.
     
  6. Steven Thornberry

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    Well, I did the best I could, and I did sprain my thumb.:(
     
  7. jmclaugh

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    You did indeed even without the suspension block, it is the Enfield F2, though not on the page # you gave so I also sprained my thumb. ;)

    The only thing I'd add is the F2 was made between 1934-45 and runs for 14 days.
     
  8. Steven Thornberry

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    Yes it's page 220, I find, though yesterday it looked like page 230 from across the room. :glasses::=
     
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