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American Waltham 1892-1893 Pocketwatch - Input requested, please

Chillspine

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This is being offered for sale locally for $155. Not being a "watch guy" (until maybe now), I only know what's in the pictures, the Word document, and:
Crystal is missing
S/N places it in the 1892-1893 timeframe
Case is Illinois Watch Case Co., gold-plated, S/N places it in or after 1893
It is reportedly windable and in running condition
One of the movement screwheads near the stem appears to be broken -- looks like a non-expert application of tools/force.

I find that the face is interesting, maybe unusual?: Arabic numerals and detailed design in enamel(?)
Does anyone find that face to be inconsistent with the age of the watch? I can't find any matching images.

Other than that, it looks well-used, and in need of cleaning/polishing/maintenance.

If anyone has any ideas on a fair price, I would appreciate your opinions.
That said, I must confess that I like the thing, despite its "warts"... so at $155 it may not be a horrible risk if it's in the advertised condition.

Thanks in advance!

Cheers;
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I think it's a fine-looking Waltham in a sharp hunting case
with great case papers for the Elgin Tiger case.
A new crystal will cost you $35 dollars installed (if you need a referral).
It's probably all original.



Rob
 
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Chillspine

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I think it's a fine-looking Waltham in a sharp hunting case
with great case papers for the Elgin Tiger case.
A new crystal will cost you $35 dollars installed (if you need a referral).
It's probably all original.



Rob
Thank you, Musicguy!
Much appreciated.

-Chilly
 

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Finding a Model 1888 in it original case is a good thing. Without the case the movement is worth about $20. Be careful with the case as the gold plate is very thin. Shouldn't be hard to get a crystal installed. Nice start to the hobby.
 

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Good advice, Richiec!
I plan to check in with my local chapter for recommendations and guidance.

Thanks again!
Chilly
 

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An 1888 case, in any condition is hard to find. Very nice dial, too. Might make a nice home for a Riverside to carry around. I'd scoop it up for that price. A good start. If you want to learn about cleaning and servicing, this would be a good movement to start on. I have a box of running '88s I wish I had a case for.
 
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I have a bunch, some highlights are a Chronometro Victoria in a bad case, a two tone, a gold flashed. One I picked up at an antique store 10 years ago, the guy told me it was an 1908, sold it cheap, it has a beautiful case, turned out to be a 17 jewel Riverside in one of the best condition cases I ever saw and just serviced. He wouldn't tell me who his watchmakers name in Philadelphia. Of course, too many orphans too.
 
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These two watches have been shown on other threads, but for the benefit of our newish member who began this thread, here is what two high grade Model 1888's look like: an early 19 jewel American Watch Company grade hunting case example marked "nonmagnetic," with scarce rectilinear damaskeening and double sunk dial, and a late 21 jewel American Watch Company grade open face movement.

Note that while the company name had changed by the time these movements came out, to the American Waltham Watch Co., the company's highest grade movements were still being signed "American Watch Company," where the word "American" is completely spelled out on the plates. As the 21 jewel AWCo grade movements were being made, the company was transitioning away from the AWCo grade towards the Riverside Maximus grade. Yet, the to-the-trade price lists of the period still listed the AWCo grade Model 1888 movements as the company's most expensive Model 1888's.

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