American Standard Watch Company?

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  1. Hawk53

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    We all know that Bulova purchased the American Standard Watch Case company which housed their designs and movements from the 20's through to the point that Bulova stopped using the "American Standard" moniker and started using the standard "Bulova Watch Company" stamped inside the case.

    Here's my question:

    Having collected Bulova and Westfields (a subsidiary of Bulova Watch Co.) I've never before seen a movement, for either company, actually stamped "American Standard Watch Company" on the movement. Scouring the internet, the only thing I could find was a legal document from January of 1956 that specifically shows both the "American Standard Watch Company" and "American Standard Watch Case Company" used in conjunction with each other.
    Here is the header to that document to the document I found:
    229 F.2d 672
    56-1 USTC P 9270
    AMERICAN STANDARD WATCH CO., Inc., Patitioner,

    v.

    COMMISSIONER OF INTERNAL REVENUE, Respondent.

    AMERICAN STANDARD WATCH CO., Inc., Petitioner,

    v.

    COMMISSIONER OF INTERNAL REVENUE, Respondent.

    AMERICAN STANDARD WATCH CASE CO., Inc., Petitioner,

    v.

    COMMISSIONER OF INTERNAL REVENUE, Respondent.
    Nos. 103-105, Dockets 23574-23576.
    United States Court of Appeals Second Circuit.
    Argued Jan. 11, 1956.

    Decided Feb. 7, 1956.

    Has anyone else seen a movement marked "American Standard Watch Company":???: American Standard 7M.jpg
     
  2. Hawk53

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    Bump, sadly :whistle:
     
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    One more piece from 1886.

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  5. Hawk53

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    Holy smokes Bob :excited:

    That last ad from 1886 raises a lot of new questions!

    Can't wait to read the entire Ballard article.

    Apparently there aren't a bunch of these movements around anymore as no one else has commented on ever seeing one. Odd considering the Bulova connection, you'd think there would be thousands floating around out there!

    Thanks Bud :coolsign:
     
  6. Jerry Treiman

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    The 1886 ad is probably referring to this 14-size Waltham movement made for Bailey Banks & Biddle and marked "American Standard".

    Obviously no relation to Bulova.
     

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    Jerry

    Was Waltham marking their movements American Standard or American Waltham?
    Sorry if this appears to be a silly question, I'm not versed on pocket watches.
     
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    Around the time this watch was made they called themselves American Waltham Watch Co. and marked many of their movements "A.W.W.Co.".

    "American Standard" was not a name used by Waltham for their own watches and was probably a name registered by Bailey, Banks & Biddle, and requested to be engraved on watches ordered by them. One sometimes sees "American/Waltham" on dials, but I do not recall seeing this label on Waltham movements.
     
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    Thanks Jerry, I was thinking that the watches needed to be good at that price in 1886! Lovely movement, I bet the cases were rather special too.
    At least that is one that can be discounted, but the three others are more defined. The 1906 one mentions the full name, may be a possible for early Bulova, as old Joe did not advertise in the newspapers using the Bulova name until 1921/22.
     
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    Not much action or response on this thread.

    Something else to think about is that this movement is marked "7M" which just so happens to be a standard movement model for Westfield Watch Co.
    The search continues
     
  11. Adam Harris

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    Interesting thread Hawk53.
    The movement you post in your original thread, what does the dial say.

    I bow to Jerry on Waltham, but I hope Cary may pop in and comment.

    Let us know on that movement?

    Adam

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    Interesting thread Hawk53.
    The movement you post in your original thread, what does the dial say.

    I bow to Jerry on Waltham, but I hope Cary may pop in and comment.

    Let us know on that movement?

    Adam
     
  12. Hawk53

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    I just looked at the folder I put the pic in and I didn't have one of the dial. But if memory serves :)whistle:) it was either unmarked or it was marked Westfield. I'll have to dig it out to confirm.
     
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    Hello,

    I was in Waltham Public Library yesterday researching a little known watchmaker and he was listed as working at "American Standard Watch Company" for a few years in the late 1930s. The company was located at 256 Charles Street. Unfortunately I did not have time to much research on the company, but it appears that it was a watch assembler and went out of business during WWII.

    This might answer a few questions posted on the message board from 2014.

    Andy Dervan
     
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    Andy, if you go back to that Library, see what else you can discover and let us know.
     
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    I just LOVE resurrected threads. So much comes to light over the years... and new eyes on the subject as well.

    this one is of particular interest to me since I have always wondered about this entity.
     
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    Another oddity or proof as you wish. This appears to be from 1925, prior to the Bulova purchase of Westfield as a Company but knowing thay Bulova owned American Standard.......
    Am Std Westie.jpg Am Std Westie=1.jpg Am Std Westie=2.jpg Am Std Westie=3.jpg Am Std Westie=4.jpg Am Std Westie=5.jpg Am Std Westie=6.jpg
     
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    Sadly, this thread needs a "bump".....
     
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    Here's a Westfield Trojan sporting a "American Standard Watch" movement similar to the one above but in much better shape... trojan-am std.jpg trojan-am std-1.jpg trojan-am std-2.jpg trojan-am std-4jpg.jpg
     
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    Dial was originally marked Westfield Shockproof.
     
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    249F90DD-6873-4802-A68A-54AEEE288612.jpeg F1F215DC-4840-4574-8ED9-D1CDFA27D71E.jpeg 6DF5AEB9-EFC7-4265-A053-68E76C1B32A0.jpeg 1089ACA4-CAA7-4CB1-9EEA-882BABB8FE7B.jpeg I think this might be what your looking for. I got it from my aunt. It was my grandmothers aunt. Case says plat.top fmc 18k warranted. Works say American standard watch co
     
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    Shelley, Thanks for posting your watch, she's a beauty! I'm sure there are more out there (somewhere) but getting them to show up here is another story...:rolleyes:
     
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    Has anyone seen anything new on American Standard?
     
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    #24 D.th.munroe, Aug 8, 2019
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    Heres some from the Waltham city directory, through the Waltham public library.
    First I found was 1934 at 256 Charles Street
    Waltham, Massachusetts city directory : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
    I should note here I didn't find it in the 1943 or the 1945 directory
    And then 1948 it's at 1065 main street with Hans J Gisiger as manager
    Waltham, Massachusetts city directory : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
    and still in 1950 Waltham, Massachusetts city directory : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
    But no longer there in the 1952/53 directory.
    Dan
     
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    Thanks Dan, I'll look into it further.
     
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    Probably the last entry of 2019. Here's another "American Standard Watch Co." movement, Westfield Trojan dial and Providence Watch Co. case. Like Mulder used to say to Scully...."There still out there".

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