American pocket watch holder

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  1. David Hill

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    I have a mahogany over pine pocket watch holder c1820. I am interested to know if any NAWCC member has watch holders in their collections? Watch holder.jpg
     
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    Very nice!
    What kind of watch is in it?


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  3. David Hill

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    It is a key wind. Sorry but I can't find any identification inside and the porcelain face doesn't have a name on it either. I'm into clocks so this is the only pocket watch related item I have in my collection.
     
  4. musicguy

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    post a photo of the movement if you can


    Thanks
     
  5. PatH

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    You have a wonderful old watch holder/watch hutch that appears to be hand made. They have such character, in addition to being useful. Watch holders come in a wide variety of styles, materials and costs, but I must admit to being partial to the hand made ones, including the beaded wall pockets. This is a set of two matching holders, probably his and hers, with a hand-written poem on the back of one.

    Thanks for sharing!
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  6. Tom McIntyre

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    @John Hubby has a great collection of these, maybe he could share a few. I have accumulated 6 or 7 of them over the years. I will try to post some pictures.
     
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    If you'd like to learn more about watch holders, there is a booklet by James Niehaus called A Guide to Watch Holders and an article in the December 1969 Bulletin by R.O. Hill called "Watch Holders (Ingenious and Collectible)" There are other articles available, but these two could get you started.

    John had quite a few holders at the National, but due to a lack of room in the luggage, I had to resist. Here are a few holders made from various different materials - celluloid, glass and shell.

    I hope others share pictures from their collections.
    Pat

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  8. David Hill

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    In response to Pat's comment: R.O.Hill was my father (NAWCC #1178, Canton, OH Chapter) and the article references the holder I posted. Thanks for sharing that information.
     
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    Wow! There are very few articles on watch holders, so I really appreciate anything that has been written. I didn't look back at the article before responding and didn't remember any specifics. Thanks for letting us know!

    Pat
     
  10. David Hill

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    Here are photos In response to the request from musicguy.

    Watchholder 001.JPG Watchholder 002.JPG Watchholder 003.JPG
     
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    Nice!, I like that little draw with the key in the back. You may be able
    to date that watch(or at least the case) if you look behind the watch paper
    and photograph the hallmarks in the back of the case.

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    The back has the following hallmarks (thanks to a Google search): crowned leopard's head used from 1478-1822 = London; date code "N" = 1805-10; lion with raised paw = British. In the middle of these 3 hallmarks are engraved letters "MC" in script letter style. I couldn't find anything out regarding the engraving, I'm assuming they could be the owner's initials.
     
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    The initials in the case are many times the case
    makers mark. Just out of curiosity, you should post a
    photo of the movement in the European PW side of the forum
    and a photo of the hallmarks and they will
    give you more information than you may expect.


    Rob
     
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    PatH you have a very nice collection! The beaded pockets shown in #5 were made out west by the Sioux but traded to tribes in the northeast who marketed them as their own work. Yours are lovely examples! -Cort
     
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    Thanks, Cort. There is a book on these beaded items, but I haven't added it to my library...yet. ;) I have acquired a couple of mother-of-pearl hooks that were used on watch holders, and all have come from England. I'm still trying to figure out if they were imported to the US or vice versa, or if they were produced in both countries. Any thoughts on that topic?

    The wooden souvenir holders make a fun collectible, and as one might expect have also added a few books to the library and more trivia to the brain. Below are examples of Tyrolean, Mauchline ware and Tunbridge/Sorrento. Does anyone have examples of any of these types of holders, perhaps different styles or patterns?

    Pat

    Figure 1 Tyrolean.JPG Figure 2 Mauchline.JPG Figure 3 Tunbridge.JPG
     
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    Here are a few that I collected since they can house larger watches. The second one from the right is the only one with some wood construction. Just follow Pat around the Mart if you ever want to find them. Ha!:emoji_sunglasses:

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    Funny thing about these threads is that it makes one look around and find items that have been stored way and forgotten. This is a olive wood watch case that will store up to a 12s watch and opens to display it.

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    David
    The On line Encyclopedia of Silver Marks Hallmarks and Makers Marks is very good for deciphering British Hallmarks
    Each year has its own combination of symbols
    Online Encyclopedia of Silver Marks, Hallmarks & Makers' Marks
     
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    Nice Rockford Watches display case, Darrah! :D

    Thanks for posting your holders, too. Is the bird inlay?
     
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    #20 darrahg, Aug 5, 2018
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    No, the bird is not an inlay but has cuts into the wood to give one the impression. Painted.
    I was going to show a Rockford mahogany box but everybody has seen them and might be a grey area as to whether it is considered as a display/storage case or just storage.

    Oh, and got the Rockford case from a neat collector who was very nice to let it go.
     

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