American pocket watch holder

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Very nice!
What kind of watch is in it?


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It is a key wind. Sorry but I can't find any identification inside and the porcelain face doesn't have a name on it either. I'm into clocks so this is the only pocket watch related item I have in my collection.
 

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post a photo of the movement if you can


Thanks
 

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You have a wonderful old watch holder/watch hutch that appears to be hand made. They have such character, in addition to being useful. Watch holders come in a wide variety of styles, materials and costs, but I must admit to being partial to the hand made ones, including the beaded wall pockets. This is a set of two matching holders, probably his and hers, with a hand-written poem on the back of one.

Thanks for sharing!
Pat

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@John Hubby has a great collection of these, maybe he could share a few. I have accumulated 6 or 7 of them over the years. I will try to post some pictures.
 

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If you'd like to learn more about watch holders, there is a booklet by James Niehaus called A Guide to Watch Holders and an article in the December 1969 Bulletin by R.O. Hill called "Watch Holders (Ingenious and Collectible)" There are other articles available, but these two could get you started.

John had quite a few holders at the National, but due to a lack of room in the luggage, I had to resist. Here are a few holders made from various different materials - celluloid, glass and shell.

I hope others share pictures from their collections.
Pat

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In response to Pat's comment: R.O.Hill was my father (NAWCC #1178, Canton, OH Chapter) and the article references the holder I posted. Thanks for sharing that information.
 
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In response to Pat's comment: R.O.Hill was my father (NAWCC #1178, Canton, OH Chapter) and the article references the holder I posted. Thanks for sharing that information.
Wow! There are very few articles on watch holders, so I really appreciate anything that has been written. I didn't look back at the article before responding and didn't remember any specifics. Thanks for letting us know!

Pat
 

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Nice!, I like that little draw with the key in the back. You may be able
to date that watch(or at least the case) if you look behind the watch paper
and photograph the hallmarks in the back of the case.

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The back has the following hallmarks (thanks to a Google search): crowned leopard's head used from 1478-1822 = London; date code "N" = 1805-10; lion with raised paw = British. In the middle of these 3 hallmarks are engraved letters "MC" in script letter style. I couldn't find anything out regarding the engraving, I'm assuming they could be the owner's initials.
 

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The initials in the case are many times the case
makers mark. Just out of curiosity, you should post a
photo of the movement in the European PW side of the forum
and a photo of the hallmarks and they will
give you more information than you may expect.


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PatH you have a very nice collection! The beaded pockets shown in #5 were made out west by the Sioux but traded to tribes in the northeast who marketed them as their own work. Yours are lovely examples! -Cort
 

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Thanks, Cort. There is a book on these beaded items, but I haven't added it to my library...yet. ;) I have acquired a couple of mother-of-pearl hooks that were used on watch holders, and all have come from England. I'm still trying to figure out if they were imported to the US or vice versa, or if they were produced in both countries. Any thoughts on that topic?

The wooden souvenir holders make a fun collectible, and as one might expect have also added a few books to the library and more trivia to the brain. Below are examples of Tyrolean, Mauchline ware and Tunbridge/Sorrento. Does anyone have examples of any of these types of holders, perhaps different styles or patterns?

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Here are a few that I collected since they can house larger watches. The second one from the right is the only one with some wood construction. Just follow Pat around the Mart if you ever want to find them. Ha!

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Funny thing about these threads is that it makes one look around and find items that have been stored way and forgotten. This is a olive wood watch case that will store up to a 12s watch and opens to display it.

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The back has the following hallmarks (thanks to a Google search): crowned leopard's head used from 1478-1822 = London; date code "N" = 1805-10; lion with raised paw = British. In the middle of these 3 hallmarks are engraved letters "MC" in script letter style. I couldn't find anything out regarding the engraving, I'm assuming they could be the owner's initials.
David
The On line Encyclopedia of Silver Marks Hallmarks and Makers Marks is very good for deciphering British Hallmarks
Each year has its own combination of symbols
Online Encyclopedia of Silver Marks, Hallmarks & Makers' Marks
 

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Here are a few that I collected since they can house larger watches. The second one from the right is the only one with some wood construction. Just follow Pat around the Mart if you ever want to find them. Ha!:emoji_sunglasses:
Nice Rockford Watches display case, Darrah! :D

Thanks for posting your holders, too. Is the bird inlay?
 

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No, the bird is not an inlay but has cuts into the wood to give one the impression. Painted.
I was going to show a Rockford mahogany box but everybody has seen them and might be a grey area as to whether it is considered as a display/storage case or just storage.

Oh, and got the Rockford case from a neat collector who was very nice to let it go.
 
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Cool! Is that Buddha guarding the watch?
 

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Here is a gilded iron hold I recently found.-Cort

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Looks like an old one that can accommodate one of the thicker watches. Very nice! Thanks for sharing, Cort!
 

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Very cool! Kind of Adirondack/Black Forest cuckoo/gothic look. The watch holder for any decor!
 

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Our oldest daughter had childhood interest in ballet and she enrolled in Saturday morning classes at the nearby Boston Ballet School. I purchased this theme appropriate watch holder at auction several years ago and we selected a favorite spot for display in our home.
The Hampden Watch Company 18S movement is a 15j nickel Lafayette grade (SN 120,955) private label for jeweler Henry L. Graham, of South Gardner, Mass. The original G.W. Ladd heavy gold clad watchcase is GWL grade (SN 24,515).
 

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Near the start of my collecting, I bought several English pocket watch holders, the most interesting of which was this one fashioned from an elephant tusk.

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I disposed of them when I felt compelled to store my collection in the Citibank vault. I no longer have any use for pocket watch holders but, because two of my American watches came with holders, I have kept them.

The first is this very lovely two-tone 18k & enamel Knapp-cased Illinois Grade 438, which would be one of my favorite watches even if it hadn't come with a holder.

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It came with a bright red leather holder. I don't know whether this very well-made holder was original equipment or an after market item.

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The second holder -- the real prize -- came with this 14k Schwab & Wuischpard-cased Elgin C.H. Hulburd.

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It came in an Elgin box that mimics a book.

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Inside the box, there is a separate holder for the watch.

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I have never heard of another example of this Elgin packaging, though others surely must have been produced.
 
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Similar to Ethan's much finer watch holder is this travel case/watch holder that currently holds an Ingraham pocket watch from 1948. I keep a Geiger counter next to it as a precaution.:eek:

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The travel case was patented by Dudley Ingraham (see patent document below).
 

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