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  1. Albra

    Albra Registered User

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    Hello,

    I guess, this is an American Joker. The movement and the dial are marked with a T in star of David. Does anyone know the maker?


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    Your help is appreciated!

    albra
     
  2. Karlo G

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    It looks for me like a Junghans.
    The "T" is on the pictures not realy visible.

    Karlo
     
  3. Bruce Barnes

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    Hi,the American Joker was manufactured by Seth Thomas and the alarm bell was mounted , hidden , on the bottom of the case.
    Very nice looking alarm clock.......
    Bruce
     
  4. zepernick

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    Was the T in a Star-of-David star a Seth Thomas mark?
     
  5. Steven Thornberry

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    I have never seen such a logo for Seth Thomas, but I cannot identify the logo on this clock. Interesting the red numbers indicating "24-hour" time. I wonder if this is oriental?
     
  6. zepernick

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    Albra --

    Except for the "feet", it looks very close to the Kienzle plate shown in the Dees lists on page 1, bottom row, second from left.

    Regards,
    Zep
     
  7. soaringjoy

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    #7 soaringjoy, Sep 29, 2012
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    Time to pop this one back up to the top.

    By now, we know that "T" in the Star of David was the trademark of
    Josef Tesar, Brünn-Sebrowitz, Bohemia. Ca. 1896 - 1938.
    (According to the Lexikon der Deutschen Uhrenindustrie 1850-1980 by Hans-Heinrich Schmid)
    The company was a larger wholesaler and had his his mark stamped on movements
    by the makers. He was strongly associated with Kienzle (Komotau branch?).

    Looks like Zepernick had the right kind of notion once more.
     
  8. rmarkowitz1_cee4a1

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    Just a comment.

    The Star of David (as in King David of biblical fame) is a six pointed star. It has a very specific religious connotation in that context.

    However, six pointed stars are not all Stars of David and so not of religious significance.

    Muslims are also admonished against "graven images". So various geometric shapes, including the 6 pointed star, are employed as a decorative motif in various applications including architectural.

    In Victorian times when there was a craze for "Moorish" design, it was again used as a decorative motif without any religious connotations.

    Finally, it was also used as I believe a Masonic and possibly Odd Fellows symbol.

    So, this clock has a logo employing a 6 pointed star. Can't help feeling there's a certain irony in the use of a Star of David by a Bavarian company in existence until 1938 in light of the history of that area in that era.

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  9. Steven Thornberry

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    It would not surprise me that this particular clock pre-dated "that era" by many years, thus lessening, if not nullifying, the irony. Possibly, in any event, a Jewish maker? And, as you have pointed out, possibly there is some other significance altogether, or none at all - just an attractive figure.
     
  10. rmarkowitz1_cee4a1

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    Yes, I would agree. Was probably used just as a geometric shape with a useable empty space in the center.

    Also would agree that this clock probably predated the era referred to.

    However, if company existed into '38 as reported below and still used the same logo, still some irony in that...wonder if it's use would have been outlawed, too??

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  11. Steven Thornberry

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    The question I would want to ask is whether they would have wanted/dared to use the same logo. But, all this is off-topic, in any event. Schluss!
     

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