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  1. darita

    darita Registered User

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    Anyone know of a good, operating alarm or Westclox forum? I'd love to commiserate with and get advice from others more experienced with Westclox. Thanks.
     
  2. John Hubby

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    The NAWCC has a chapter dedicated to alarm clocks: Howard Banta Alarm Clock Chapter 178. They have a Yahoogroups list however it hasn't been used for a while, best option is to make contact with one of the chapter officers (Mike Wilson) and see what they can do to help.
     
  3. darita

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    Thanks for the info. With the way alarms are traded on ebay, you'd think there were tons of collectors and enthusiasts out there waiting to discuss the topic. Guess not. Thank goodness for this sight and all its members.
     
  4. shutterbug

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    Our local Bangster is somewhat of an alarm clock specialist. You might contact him for information.
     
  5. darita

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    Bangster is awesome at answering question I may post here. That said, it would be nice to "get together" with other alarm folks of like mind and interests.
     
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    Just change your interests to big clocks, and stick around :D
     
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    Count me in. I must admit when I started collecting, which was only a few months ago, I had no love for alarm clocks. But I ran across a few where they were practically giving them away. I think they are becoming a focal point, if not highlight, of my collection. I don't have any Westclox. I have an Ingraham Ace and Mecca, Lux Slumber Minder and Seth Thomas travel alarm (I don't know the name). I'll post photos when I'm off my phone and on my computer.

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    Tom, I'd always been interested in advertising clocks, but those were mostly later model electric wall clocks. As soon as I saw a fake Big Ben, with a fake Keen Kutter dial, well, I was hooked. As you said, alarms are relatively inexpensive, so easily collectable. I've read over and over that "real" clock folks don't waste their time servicing alarms, because they were made to be throw-aways and they're a pain to work on, but they are still around and still ticking.
    I'm a woodworker as well, so you'd think a nice wooden cased clock would do it for me, but it doesn't. Give me a heavy little Westclox any day. Are we that rare a bunch that there aren't enough of us to warrant a forum?
     
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    I don't know how many alarm clock collectors are out there, registered on our message board. If we hear from enough of them, we could start a new forum. Any interest??
     
  11. darita

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    ...goes without saying...I am!
     
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    Worth a try. If it flops, no harm done.
     
  13. harold bain

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    Well, if you start adding to this thread, it might help show how much interest there is.
     
  14. darita

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    Like I said, I'm new here, but I'll bet there are a lot out there who would post on an alarm forum, if they knew one existed. I searched everywhere and found this site, which I'm glad for. But alarm specific would be that much better.
     
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    I do not understand what it is that an alarm clock specific forum would add to what we already have. What is it that can't be answered here?
     
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    HI Darita,

    Do you have any photos to post? I looked on the other thread Harold mentioned, and I didn't see any posts from you? Let me know - I'd like to check them out. I just posted photos of my 5 alarm/small clocks.

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  17. darita

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    I will. I generally don't just post pics to show what I have, but if there's interest, I will. I'm new to clocks, so I don't have a diverse collection. I generally collect Westclox. I do have some Lux and Ansonia and a couple of German mades. Oh...and a really nice Bayard. I really do like the Westcox though. They feel so heavy and solid compared with some others. Also, their movements are very similar, so it makes for an easier learning curve. I know these are thought of as crude and unsophisticated, but I just love'm.
    Soon as I have time, I'll post some.
     
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    Peter, that's exactly the same comment made when it was first suggested to have a 400-Day forum. However, I agree with Harold that the first step should be to use the thread he linked to and see how much interest can be generated. For starters, this thread could be merged into that one.
     
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    John, that was not a comment, it was a question. How can we form a view on the creation of any new forum unless that question has been answered? A 400-Day clock is significantly different to most other clocks. I would argue the same cannot be said for alarm clocks. They are basically the same as any balance wheel movement. Would this forum only be for the discussion of small, balance wheel alarm clocks? And if so, what is the feature that makes these clocks different enough to warrant a separate forum?
     
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    I agree that alarm clocks pretty much match what we already have. However, I don't object to a specific forum dealing with alarm movements.
     
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    #21 leeinv66, Nov 22, 2015
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    I don't object to new forums either Shutterbug as long as they add to the message board and don't diminish what we already have.

    He is a sample of my small clocks to show I have nothing against collecting them. The Art Deco Gilbert alarm clock arrived today.

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    #22 bangster, Nov 23, 2015
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    Well, we have separate forums for other special categories: electric clocks, torsion clocks, tower clocks, etc. No particular reason NOT to have one for alarm clocks, if there's interest. Alarm clocks are sufficiently different from "regular" clocks that they can constitute a legitimate subcategory. An alarm clock is not "just another two-train clock". Their architecture and function are quite different from two-train time-and-strike clocks.

    Is what I think.

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    PS: I just checked out the "small clocks" thread that Harold linked. A thread with 219 posts and counting suggests that there is indeed interest in alarm clocks...and there would almost certainly be more posts if it had a permanent location as a forum.

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    PPS:To make it a little easier to locate, I've posted a link to it in the "Items Of Ongoing Interest" sticky in the Clock Repairs forum.
     
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    Are they different to two train clocks that are also fitted with an alarm? I would say no. The architecture and function of most alarm are the same. 219 posts starting in 2008 and coming to a stop in 2013 until it was revived a couple of days ago. If the thread were a forum, people would rightly be asking why it was still there.
     
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    I think folks who find that thread, see that it's to post your pics, not ask questions or get advice on movement issues, etc. Maybe I'm alone in wanting to ask questions of those who have direct experience with with Westclox alarms or Lux alarms or Ansonia ...
     
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    darita, I have repaired a lot of alarm clock over the last 40 odd years and many of them have been Westclox (Westclox manufactured clocks in many countries including Australia). So, I do have direct experience with these. However, I would be unlikely to visit an alarm clock specific forum on a regular basis. My feeling is you might end up getting less responses posting to an alarm clock specific forum than you would by posting here or in clock repairs. I may well be wrong, but I feel these things need to be considered before any new forums are created. By the way, that is a very nice collection of alarm clocks you have put together. Nicely displayed as well!
     
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    Is a Big Ben style 1a different from a kitchen clock with an alarm unit? You bet your bippy it is. Much familiarity with standard two-trains will get you exactly nowhere with an alarm clock. Alarm clocks are a recognized subtype among spring-driven clocks. You can't dismiss the idea of an Alarm Clock forum by saying they are just the same as Waterburys, New Havens, etc. They aren't.

    The fact that you wouldn't visit an Alarm Clock forum with any regularity is a fact about you, not about those whose primary interest is alarm clocks.
     
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    Bangster, you vastly overstate the difficulty of working on an alarm clock.
     
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    I didn't see Bangster SAY they were so much harder, just different. Announce on demand and automatically announcing clocks are certainly different.

    Why not have a separate forum for alarm clocks? They have been around as long as clocks have been around-many of the earliest clocks had no dial, but were set to alarm as a reminder. God knows there are a zillion kinds of alarm clocks out there, and people collect them to beat hell.

    Be neat to see them in one place, and research would be simplified.
     
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    If different is the criteria we want to work on, then we need to define how different a variety of clock needs to be before it has a separate forum. Weight driven clocks are different to spring driven clocks which are different to gravity driven clocks which again are different to atmospheric pressure and temperature driven clocks and so on. Then there are differences in duration, differences in escapements, differences in train counts, etcetera, etcetera. What level of difference justifies a separate forum?
     

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