Age of tall case clock

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  1. abe

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    HI guys. Can someone tell me the approximate age of this tall case clock. A dear widowed friend has sold her house and her son got the clock. I never took pictures of it while in her house so I had to take pics of it in a climate controlled storage shed. It is about 9 feet tall.

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  2. Jim DuBois

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    Circa 1800-1830 Pennsylvania origin most likely
     
  3. jmclaugh

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    I agree with early 1800s. It has a nicely painted dial, you might find a dialmaker's name on the back, with a swan neck hood. Hopefully the son will bring it home.
     
  4. Uhralt

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    I would expect the dial to have a false plate. The name of the maker will be on the false plate. Maybe Wilson, Birmingham?

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  5. Chris Radano

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    That's a nice clock. The case is solid cherry with tiger maple accent. The dial is original and the paint is strong. Unsigned dial as many are.
     
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    I didn't say it wouldn't have a falseplate and if it was English I agree it would most likely but not exclusively have one; with or without a falseplate doesn't preclude a dialmaker's name being on the dial. It may be an American dial but I don't know if they were marked or just as many English ones are, unmarked.
     
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    Thank you for your quick replies!

    What is a false plate?
     
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    It is an iron plate supplied with the dial by the dialmaker, it makes it easier for the clockmaker as they can then use the plate to mount to the movement rather than fixed position feet on the dial. They help date the dials as we know the periods of manufacture for them. They went out of use though so not all white dials have them. (and only 8 day clocks when they did)
     
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    This is a falseplate. Located between the dial and the movement. Many 8 day painted dial clocks have them, not all. Not found on brass dial clocks or on 30hr painted dial clocks.

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    Just to add what Jim says about painted and brass dials applies to longcase clocks not dial clocks.
     
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    There were falseplates on dial clocks, but I've only seen a few and never up close.
     
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    Yes I've read falseplates were fitted to dial clocks, I understand it those with wooden and convex dials. I was just making the point that comments about the use of falseplates on longcase clocks don't transfer to dial clocks.
     
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    Yes that's quite true, they are different. Some convex dials have a flat disc behind them and some have a more conventional looking falseplate. One of mine has the flat disc, it is a very early iron dial the later ones I have are without. All the wooden dials I have seen up close have a falseplate screwed to the wooden dial (but I haven't seen many up close I was under bidder on one a week or two ago that had one like that.)

    I assume that dial clock dials were made by dial makers, and presumably by the same or similar companies in Birmingham. I don't recall anything from Ron Rose's book on that but there probably is something there.

    Still, I digress.
     
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    Are you saying the maker is Wilson from Birmingham, England? Or are you guessing that the maker could be a Wilson or a Birmingham.
     
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    I'm only talking about the dial, not the clock movement or the case. Wilson in Birmingham, England was a very prolific maker of dials and false plates. Some dials were exported to the US, so you can see American clocks with dials made by them. One example is in the White House.

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    Unless the dial and/or falseplate has that or any other name on it no one can say for sure who made it. Is there a name on either?
     
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    The names cast into false plates has nothing to do with who made the clock. Sometimes dials carry good information on who made them, other times it can be questionable.

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    Indeed, but the name on a falseplate or the back of a dial usually tells you who made either and assuming they are original can help dating a clock when there is no other information such as a signature on the front of the dial.
     
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    Thank you all for your help! I've learned a lot already. My friend is pleased and surprised that it is probably a Pennsylvania clock made between 1800-1830. I won't be taking the dial off anytime soon or ever as it will be going with her son in Erie, PA.
     

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