Advice For a New Possible Pocket Watch

Discussion in 'European & Other Pocket Watches' started by MMSCampelo, Jun 7, 2019.

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  1. MMSCampelo

    MMSCampelo Registered User

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    Dear Friends,

    It's been a long time since I've posted last time. I was contamined by the watch disease and took a lot of new interests on this matter. As it's quite difficult to find really nice pocket watches that are in decent quality or price in my country, I have been taking easy on the buyings, as I havent much capital to expand a really big collection for now. Taking all of that in account, I have recently been offered a pockey watch that is quite uncommon around this area and for that I logged here for any consult on your wisdom about it. Its a non working watch, allegedly from Paul Ditisheim (as it says on its porcelain) and from the 30s as far as I can guess. A cronograph, it has some quite exquisite mechanism. Silver made watch with Switzerland's silver engravings, I really dont know how expensive it would be for me to repair it, nor if it would be possible, even if it looks its complete. Seems to me that Distisheim are a little difficult to find, specially cronographs from that time. Here, almost impossible. The value people have been asking me here isn't far from the equivalent in 100 dollars in my currency. Taking into account that I would need to restore the watch, its rarity and all, what could you tell me about it? Do you think its a good buy? Worth it? Would you recommend me that?

    Thanking you in advance for any response,

    MMSCampelo

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  2. MartyR

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    Discussion of value of a particular watch in this forum is prohibited by our Forum Rules. If you want to get a value you will need to psot in the "What's this watch worth?" forum.

    I can comment that the cost of repairing a chronograph can be considerable, and until you know why it is not working it will be impossible for you to get a realistic estimate of that cost. Indeed you may need to pay to get an estimate!

    Paul Ditisheim was a highly reputed watchmaker, and I will leave others more qualified to tell you somehing about this particular movement.
     
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  3. gmorse

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    Hi MMSCampelo,

    This appears to be a split second chronograph, but your pictures of the movement, although too small to see much detail, do show that there's at least one broken spring and some other problems.

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    The red circle marks a broken spring and the blue circle marks a displaced spring. There may well be other problems hidden from view and as MartyR has said, repairs to these complicated watches can be very expensive. A very skilled specialist member in these watches here is @dshumans, who may well pop by and comment.

    Regards,

    Graham
     
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    I collect rattrapantes and P. Ditisheim pocket watches, among other things. I don't recall having seen any P. Ditisheim rattrapantes until just now, when I searched for them on the Internet. In my brief search, I only found one, a lovely 18k example. Its movement doesn't look anything like the one in the watch you posted, MMSCampelo. That watch looks to be in rough condition, and not as high-grade as I would expect from P. Ditisheim. Better affordable examples may be scarce in Brazil, but I am skeptical that this watch is worth getting unless you love it and can restore it yourself.
     
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    #5 Durruti, Jun 9, 2019
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    As far as I known Paul Ditisheim didn't make chronographs. He was a famous maker of chronometers. That means that he bought the chronograph movements from other makers. In your case I'm pretty sure that the maker of your split-seconds chronograph was Georges-Henri Guinand from Le Brenets in Switzerland, model 1913. Source: "Le chronographe de poche suisse" (The swiss pocket chronograph) by Joël Pynson. Cause I have not the permision to publish from that book I send you a PM with the drawing of the movement.
    G-H Guinand had a good reputation as chronograph maker but he wasn't at the high end of the scale. I think your rattrapante has a good quality but a bad condition, if it were mine I would have it repaired. But you have to take a decisson at your own.

    Peter
     
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  6. MMSCampelo

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    Dear Friends,

    Thank you very much for all of your replies. I'm considering taking this watch and waiting until I can repair it. Maybe it won't be easy nor cheap, but I guess it may be worth it. For now I have come to know that it's not in good condition, may have several problems, wasn't entirely produced by Ditisheim and that it should be older than I thought. I don't have the skills to fix it myself, but that could be the push I need to start learning something. As someone pointed out just now, Ditisheim rattrapantes aren't easy to find. Over its rarity, seems also that the maker was a decent one. Difficult choice...let's see if anyone can give me any more light that all of you have already done.

    Kind regards,

    MMSCampelo
     
  7. dshumans

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    It is a nice rattrapante with minute register. It is not possible to diagnose problems without seeing the watch or getting specifics, but it would be worth getting it to learn about split chronographs and worth much more if repaired and working. I can't tell from your pictures, but it looks like it is also missing some hands? It should have 6 hands (2 long sweep chronograph hands, 2 time hands, 2 subdial hands). I would be willing to offer free advice via pictures and descriptions if you want to try to fix it yourself. Contact me at dshumans@gmail.com.
     
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