Accepting the historical context...

Discussion in 'Horological Misc' started by rmarkowitz1_cee4a1, Jan 28, 2019.

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  1. rmarkowitz1_cee4a1

    rmarkowitz1_cee4a1 Registered User
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    On another forum, the possible association of a clock maker with the National Socialists was raised.

    Interesting that his question is posed a day after the 74th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz.

    Yes, as pointed out by others, probably not germane given what appears to be the time period of his activity.

    I am reminded, however, that previously on the MB, this was brought up for a factory active during the 1930's. If I recall correctly, it was emphatically stated by a MB expert on all German factory made clocks and their serial #'s that the National Socialists Part had NO effect on the clock industry. When I raised objection to this, my posting was promptly removed by a moderator as being nothing but a "political scree". How ironic in a way.

    Again, I admit not directly relevant here but maybe worth discussing. What is remarkable about the National Socialists was how thoroughly they infiltrated and dominated every aspect of life in Germany including industry and the workers in those industries.

    My understanding is that membership in that party was widespread amongst businessmen, factory owners and even workers in those dark days.

    Furthermore, this was a period when one's fellow workers disappeared or were fired, the businesses to which those factories previously did business with were forced to close, etc. Not to mention how many of these factories may have diverted their production to support a war effort. I won't go so far as to suggest that they used slave labor as did some other industries.

    So, given that there might be some interest in the historical context of these clocks and other horological items, let's not jump to deny the history. It's part of the discussion.

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  2. Steven Thornberry

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    It might be useful if you could add a reference to the thread in which all this occurred. I did find the following thread but see no controversy; thus, my request.

    barrack mantle clock

    I think no one denies the importance of historical context, but that is quite different from "political scree." If mistakes were made, they can be corrected.
     
  3. rmarkowitz1_cee4a1

    rmarkowitz1_cee4a1 Registered User
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    It wasn't that thread.

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    That is the thread RM referred to by "On another forum, the possible association of a clock maker with the National Socialists was raised.

    It is not the thread he referred to by "previously on the MB" etc.
     
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    I think RM is right in his posting and his thoughts.

    The late H.-H. Schmid, in his 'Lexikon der deutschen Uhrenindustrie', does record quite a number of clock making companies whose directors did support the Party, as well as some who didn't, mainly on religious grounds. Those who didn't support, or at least go along with the wishes of, the Party were mostly closed down, as RM suggests. Schmid also records the many companies whose production efforts were diverted to the war effort and armament manufacture (often bomb timers).

    The Lexikon makes interesting historical reading, even if you don't care much for clocks.

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  7. rmarkowitz1_cee4a1

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    Thank you.

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