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Piotr, thank you again for your pictures! You have very well presented the developement in the style of the Silesian clock cases. We recognize the slow transformation from a Viennese Classicism towards the German historicism. It is obvious that change could only be made in small steps.tarant;878781 said:Albra, those are Gustav Becker (GB) clocks. It was the illustration about deterioration of the style, a little OT. It's not easy to show even such small collection of Willmann weight driven clocks.
Jan, the photos you posted for serial number 102710 show two different movements. From the photo quality and movement details, it appears that photos 1, 6, 7, 8, and 9 are the same movement which is the one with serial number 102710 and the Willmann logo. However, photos 2, 3, 4, 5, and 10 are of a completely different movement, for example: (a) different fly design. (b) different movement support plate, (c) anchor arbor rear bridge has suspension hanger. Also there is no photo of the back of the second movement or of its dial. Does the second movement also have a Willmann logo stamp? If so, it will be appreciated if you could post the dial and back plate photos and let us know for sure which photos belong to each movement.janekp;878270 said:Here's a another Willman spring driven movement with logo - stamp.
Jan, as far es we know, Klose & Zeuner didn´t have own movements, but related all movements. As far as I can see, this is not a Werner movement.janekp said:Photos 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 10 are of an Klose&Zeuner movement
Your clock is very definitely made by A. Willmann & Co as Piotr has already mentioned. In addition, it was made in early 1882 based on the serial number. Willmann was one of the "child" companies formed by ex-employees of Gustav Becker in Freiburg, Silesia. Other than Willmann there was Böhm, Concordia, Endler, Germania, and Kappel, all of whom merged back into GB in June 1899 when the Freiburg United Clockmakers was formed (Vereinigte Freiburger Uhrenfabriken incl. vorm. Gustav Becker).suparchw;943273 said:I couldn't find in K. Kockmann's book.
Any info. is highly appreciated. Thank you so much.
Suparchoek W, thanks very much for posting the photos of your friend's Willmann clock. These provide some important confirmation that the clock is definitely by Willmann, as follows:suparchw;946254 said:Ok. As you wish John. Thank you so much.
That'she why I posted above asking if it was an A. Willman.JTD;1055185 said:Yes, but please be careful about accepting everything you read in this particular book at face value - unfortunately, it contains many errors.
There are other more reliable sources.
Some time ago, I post a request to identify the clock movement. With Tatyana's help, we found it is made by Willmann. I would like to share more information about this clock. It is grand sonnerie unsigned movement, serial number 94598. What is uncommon, that movement has 3 hammers and there are 3 gongs. 2 hammers (bim-bam) are used for striking quarter and 3d is used for striking hours in every quarter. I never seen such option before. It is really difficult task to achieve good quality striking because gongs, hammers, pendulum and other movement parts are so close to each other The clock case is not original. Any comments would be interesting. Best regards
Hi!Ok, as promised, here are the pictures of the markings on the movement. Based on what I have found online, the makers stamp should say that this clock is from 1898 to 1899...
Hi again JohnRe: A. Willman & Co. Regulator
a couple of minor points.....stamp is "freiburg i schl" rather than "freiburg i schles"
there is a number "7" below the stamp main stamp marks in the centre......wonder what the significance is?
also 3 further photos for the record
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Alan, the Polish colleagues are most active in relation to the Freiburg clock factories.Hi again John
It is several years now since posts on this clock.....I have just taken it off the wall as it has suddenly stopped working having been in place without interruption. I wondered if you can update me with details of your database and whether there are any new fact discovered about the Willman clocks?
I believe your movement is made circa 1897.Bought this weight driven impressive wall clock from the family of a dying German Immigrant with several other clocks. was told you are collecting info on Willmann clocks and that this was a willmann trademark. will send pics later
Great thank you. I did google "GMS", didn't realize it was a "D" since the bar was missing or may have worn off. Thanks for the information.Greetings, pbowe.
If you read the following post, you will discover what DGMS (and its better-known alternative DRGM) refers to. It is essentially a utility patent. A google search of DRGM will provide additional information.
D.R.G.M Numbers & D.R.P Numbers ?? | NAWCC Forums
The 1 Million would mean that the "real" serial number of the movement would be 1,000,000 + the stamped numerals above it. I cannot make out the numerals.
This movement was made in late 1901 by Kienzle for Willmann-2.I am thankful for these forums, based on this thread I was able to identify the maker of this clock as A.Willmann & Co. I'm curious if anyone knows the significance of the marking on the pendulum bar (looks like a backward "C" followed by "GMS") or the stamp at the bottom that says 1.MILLION.
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Tatyana...thank you, apologies as only just found your message.....I'll have to brush up on my polish!
Hi, AllanTatyana...thank you, apologies as only just found your message.....I'll have to brush up on my polish!
Interesting that John Hubby was looking at an 1878-79 date from his records.