A Welch Patti?

[doug sinclair]

I've been asked for an opinion on the clock in the enclosed image. According to the owner, it is a Welch clock, and I have been told the label name is ERMINIE (sp?). I'm wondering if this is a "PATTI" model? I checked the BULLETIN data base, and there are two articles listed, but the volume number is O, and the issue # is 912, page 51. This might be a supplement, I don't know. But I have no idea how to access it. Is this one of the PATTI styles. TIA.

 

[Steven Thornberry]

Looks like a simple walnut, and I would imagine it would have a good Welch movement but not a Patti movement. Just my 2 cents, which empties my bank account.

 

[Chris Radano]

If the clock had a Patti movement, the dial winding holes would be at an almost even level with the dial center hole (winding holes higher on the dial for Patti movement).

 

[Steven Thornberry]

I've found an example on antiqueclockspriceguide.com, where the name is given as "Ermine." No mention of a Patti movement, and Chris' observation is a good one.

 

[harold bain]

Doug, Tran's Welch book shows this clock from an 1884 catalogue picture. It's not a Patti style. Black Walnut case. Erminie is the correct spelling. Very nice clock.

 

[doug sinclair]

Thanks everyone. Your excellent answers point out that I have a LOT to learn about clocks! It is a nice clock, isn't it? I have seen Patti clocks that exhibited similar sort of styling, so that was what made me think it might be a Patti.

 

[lamarw]

Doug, Some of your suspicion may of derived from the nice pendulum your clock is dressed in. Your pendulum is the glass insert type typical of the Patti movement clocks.

Many think of it as Sandwich glass, but Ly in his publication on Welch Clocks states there is no record of these having been made in Sandwich, Mass. Many of us still refer to them as Sanwich glass. The pendulum alone is worth the auction price of many kitchen clocks. I sold an E.N. Welch glass insert pendulum on eBay last year for around $90.00. It does look to be the correct pendulum for your clock. Congrats on a nice looking clock even it it is not a Patti.

 

[doug sinclair]

lamarw,

Unfortunately, I don't own the clock. It belongs to a friend who asked my opinion on it. Before I offered an opinion as "just another gingerbread clock", I decided to seek the opinions of those more learned in clocks than I am. I'm glad I did! Thanks for the additional information re: the rare pendulum. The owner will be more than pleased with the assistance you have all contributed.

 

[doug sinclair]

Unfortunately, the clock is no longer in front of me, and I am unable to contact the owner. I have two spellings for the name of this clock off posts on this thread. One being ERMINE, and the other being ERMINIE. Is someone able to confirm which is the correct name? How I missed this spelling on the label is a puzzle to me.

 

[harold bain]

Doug, if you trust Tran to get it right, then it's Erminie.

 

[doug sinclair]

Harold,

I assumed that either name could be correct. That's why I checked. ERMINIE it is!

Doug