A. Sliman, Cumnock (short) Tall Case

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  1. gleber

    gleber Registered User

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    At 6 ft, 7 in. (2 m) tall, this is on the short side compared to others in my collection. It has a modest case, with no columns on the hood and simple holes in the sides for sound.

    As you can see, on the dial is "A. Sliman" "Cumnock" From that, I found this reference listing him as a clockmaker ca 1837.
    Ayshireroots - Cumnock 1837

    I can't make out the reference listed in the 3rd from the last photo, which dates Sliman to 1837 - 1850. It looks like Vol II Baitties, but I can't find that or variations. Is anyone familiar with that name or the correct spelling?

    Unfortunately, while being delivered to my son in FL (from where I'll have to retrieve it some day), the top got swan neck pediments got broken. I received a discount from the owner and it should easy to fix, but for those of you who has to reply on shippers, I feel your anxiety. I pick up most of my clocks locally.

    As usual, any additional comments are appreciated.

    Thanks,
    Tom

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  2. Burkhard Rasch

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    verry nice clock,Tom,congratulations! The swan necks are verry delikate indeed,and obviously made of oak which tends to split along the grain.I especialy like the painting which seems to be in exellent shape!
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    Thanks. The case is sort of ho-hum simplistic, but quaint and we have a lot of antique/vintage oak furniture. But the dial is definitely what attracted me to purchase it. I'm anxious to see it in person.

    I asked my son who received it if he thought it could be fixed with minimal evidence of damage, and he thought so. I've been doing a lot of case/carving repair on cuckoos lately requiring a lot more detail and finesse, so I don't think this will be too challenging - like you say it split along the grain, not splintered or chunks missing. Glue and careful alignment should be all that is needed for the wood, and then to straighten the bent rosette.

    And, I got it for only a little more than half the agreed upon price, which is a bonus for the wallet.

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    I like oak cases, something about medullary rays gets me.

    I am a bit surprised that it is in one though, somehow I just thought the Scots were hooked on mahogany when this was produced.

    I haven't seen a case this design before, but I'm not that familiar with Scottish clocks. I agree the painting is lovely and looks in good condition. A good addition to the collection.
     
  5. Uhralt

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    The case clearly has a Scottish look. It looks like a scaled down version of my Scottish longcase clock, but mine is in mahogany. Is the pendulum bob painted?

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    I was hoping you would chime in. Thanks. It's possible the movement and dial were transplanted. I haven't had a first-hand look yet. I see what looks like a shim under the seatboard (which also seems to have a more modern look to it).

    Thanks for your input too Uhralt. Looking Scottish is good, not being mahogany is interesting... I haven't seen the bob yet, but I don't think so because my son didn't mention it. I'll have to check... Is yours painted? If so, can you add a photo? I don't think I've ever seen a painted one (unless you mean like a cast one painted a solid color?)

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    No, mine is not painted but Scottish frequently are. I may be able to find a picture. You often find Scottish motives on the bob, like a thistle.

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    Thanks! Now I'm curious. I'll have to check with my son.

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    I can't find an example of your case in Loomes book on cases, but he does say small delicate swan necks were a feature of east scotland, and small oak cases too, though your clock is from west scotland. The lack of door pillars does make me wonder a bit.
     
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    That's very similar with a bit more of a suggestion of pillar in the reeding with square blocks top and bottom
     
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    I know you're a good woodworker, but the swan necks can be more challenging than they may appear at first. Here's one I did for a Seth Thomas office No. 6. I think the repair is good enough, after a couple tries. Difficult to clamp, and they broke a couple times so they needed braces (I used shim stock to be less intrusive). Maybe you can use a wire nail through the top, or even a thin, long screw through a drilled hole.
    On a side note, I never finished the Seth case where this pediment came from. The finish used on this model was really cheap, and is a mess on this clock. So I'm still deciding what to do with it. looks like eventually it will be refinished. If you see these clocks for sale, most of them appear to have a refinish, or "rubbed down" at least.

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    Another nice painted dial longcase, the dial painting looks well done. I think the note refers to Baillie though voulme II is the updated version subsequently produced by Loomes, volume I refers to the original. The style of the hood is typical of the west of Scotland centred on Glasgow with door pillars to the top of it as opposed to the break of the arch. The matching steel hands and quarter hour minute numbering suggest it is one of Archibald Sliman's earliest clocks, Loomes' dates for him are as those on the note.
     
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    Thanks for the compliment and the advice. I'm hoping it goes together pretty cleanly.

    I only now noticed that the left swan neck had been broken and repaired once before. You can see it in the photo of the hood and the side view if you zoom in.

    One of these days when I am out your way, I need to check out your collection.

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    Thanks for the additional information Jonathan. I never seem to notice details like the height of the pillars until someone points it out. I had to go back to compare against my other long / tall case clocks.

    Tom
     

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