A MINIATUR clock with cylinder escapement

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  1. DieteR

    DieteR Registered User

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    Hello

    Here are many photos of my latest acquisition.
    they certainly raise many questions but also provide some answers

    First answer of mine: NO FAKE

    It's really a clock with a cylinder escapement, as a miniature clock.

    Pay special attention to the execution and numbering

    There is no pendulum ... and the escapement also isn't complete.

    Now I am waiting for the reaction in this forum

    DieteR

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  2. etmb61

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    #2 etmb61, Feb 2, 2019
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    DieteR,

    I think you have a find there. The base looks much more recent than the rest. Here is another, so I would say you have a real clock.

    VV Torsion clock escapment cylinder

    Eric
     
  3. John Hubby

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    #3 John Hubby, Feb 2, 2019
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    DieteR, thanks for posting!! Please check the dimensions of your movement compared to the one that is in the link provided by Eric. I believe they are very likely the same size, being slightly smaller than the dimensions of Plate 1633 in the Repair Guide which is the production version of the Gustav Becker cylinder escapement 400-Day clock. Yours is now one of two prototypes known to exist based on the marking "VVP 6" and the virtually identical wheel layout as Plate 1633. The one posted earlier is VVP 10.
    Yours has a different design for the escape wheel platform and its mounting which is not quite the same compared to Plate 1633. Also your clock does not have the cutout in the back plate found in VVP 10 and later production versions. Congratulations on a marvelous and very rare find!!
     
  4. DieteR

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    Sorry

    I thought miniature clock would be a common term.

    In order to dispel misunderstandings, I quickly took a picture.

    The dimensions of the back plate are

    55 x 44 mm² and the depth is 26mm.
    The size of the board corresponds nearly to KERN PI

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    DieteR, What a great find. Such an unusual torsion clock! Congratulations!
     
  6. Burkhard Rasch

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    Congrats from me,too!What an intersting clock.Please show in detail and with many pics the restauration process ; I´d be especialy interested to see the making of a new cylinder.Anybody here to provide exact measurements and pics of the parts needed? Is it a "typical" cylinder like in pocket watches of the time with a cut-out passage?
    Burkhard
     
  7. John Hubby

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    Dieter, thanks very much for the measurement info. Your clock is definitely of miniature size and you were correct it calling it that. I am amazed that the movement is so much smaller than VVP 10, or Plate 1633, in fact only 63% as large!! All I can say is that this adds a new mystery to the development of the Gustav Becker cylinder escapement clock. My opinion is that it is definitely one of the GB prototypes based on overall design and the VVP 6 serial number.

    Burkhard, the cylinder for these escapement is constructed exactly the same as the ones used for pocket watches, only a good bit larger in size. I recall there was an owner in Australia of one of the production models that either made a new cylinder for his clock or had one made by a watchmaker, I'll see if I can find who that was. I'm sure that would be of a big help to Dieter.
     
  8. janekp

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    Hallo Dieter.
    Nice found.
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    P - Probe,Prufung

    06- Serial number
     
  9. Burkhard Rasch

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    Bump! Have You got any futher with resurecting Your cylinder clock?
    best regards
    Burkhard
     

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