A Huge B.R.T. Watch, Also Some Good Ball-Hamilton's to View

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  1. Jim Haney

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    #1 Jim Haney, Mar 3, 2020
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    I recently bought about 40 Ball Watches from Heritage auctions and was starting to go through some of them and ran across this Monster.

    Serial # 42653 Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers

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    I thought that back in the day when the fellow who owned this went to his Brotherhood lodge meeting or a Union meeting it boiled down to "Who has the Biggest" contest.:rolleyes: :eek: :cool:
     
  2. musicguy

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    Very nice Jim!!!


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  3. Jim Haney

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    This was in the 1st Run of Ball watches Made in 1895, Grade 999B, until then they used Hamilton grade numbers.

    Run 13001-13020 Early Pierced Hands

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    Serial number 23357 a P/L for Wm, Hendricks & Son, Louisville, Ky.

    Sorry Ben, no matching dial. :( :eek:

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    #5 Jim Haney, Mar 3, 2020
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    Much Too much can hardly fit it all in .:rolleyes::eek:

    Serial Number 644295, a B of L,F, E.

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    Serial number 644004, is a B of L, E.

    Sorry,No matching Brotherhood dial.

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    In a Swing Out Case, Shame, Shame....
     
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    WOW! Thank you for sharing, Jim.
     
  8. John Arrowood

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    Here's serial number 170693 21-j 18 size. Signed B of LE on dial and movement, June 30,1895 and Aug 30, 1896 patent dates, housed in a used replacement case Philadelphia Victory 10-year filled case.

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  9. Jim Haney

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    John,
    Glad to see some of these. I would like to see more Brotherhood watches from Ball. They are ALL 2 star watches in the Price Guide, so they are special.

    I picture old Webb Ball as the P.T. Barnum of the watch world. He could promote,himself, his company, get appointed as the Nations largest RR Standard Watch Inspector and sell watches. He also was Hamilton's western agent and I believe served on the BOD.
     
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    That particular one has been at my house 50-55 years. I don't remember when or where my Dad got it; most likely at a regional.
     
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    A few more some of the earlier ones. Serial number 8636 is a Hamilton 936. This is a very early Ball's Standard Superior Grade, this was the Name that Hampden used on Ball watches and Hamilton only made a few with that name in 1895-6.

    Ball used Hamilton Grade for the early start up . less than 200 watches and at serial number 13000 started with the 999A-M grades

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    How about some Railroad Watch Company's Ball grades? Serial number 20685 a 999E because it is fully Marked and 17 Jewels and has the circular pattern. DS Dial

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    Railroad Watch Co. Economy version.

    Then a Serial number 20885 a grade 999F because it is not fully marked and a 16J equal with a Hamilton grade 930 and different DMK pattern and a single sunk dial.

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    One thats close to yours Jim...

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    John,
    Thanks for showing your watch. I didn't know that there were 2 Grades of this Railroad Watch Co. Ball model.

    I remember years ago Larry Ehrhardt was all excited about these watches and used the name for his email or trading account on eBay.
     
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    To keep current on prices, etc. the watch in post 1 sold for $1600, the watch in post 13 also sold for $1600, and if I show some watches here for education and they later happen to show up on eBay I appreciate it if you keep it to yourself. Thanks, I am not advertising anything for sale, just trying to show some unusual watches. This lot was about 50 18s Ball-Hamilton from Heritage auction in TX and I don't know who estate they were from, maybe Bill Kapp ?


    Serial number 643340 a 999H from 1910 but this is a Brotherhood watch.This watch I would term as a creation. It is a highly valued B.R. T. but the matching dial is gone. Most collectors would simply use a Ball dial and be done with it.

    Not this watch, Someone used a rare P/L dial on it that would sell easily by itself,( R.H.Smith, Hinton, WVA) especially to some one who needed it, but in their ignorance they but it on this watch?

    To top it off instead of RR hands they put Fancy Gold colored hands. ? I had to find out why it would not run and found a missing Roller jewel. I replaced it and could see that it was engaging the pallet and the pallet was moving the escape wheel and it looked fine and had power thru the train. Put it back together and it would not run. I tracked it down to the hole in the dial was very small and the hour hand was binding around the hole enough to keep the watch from running. I filed down the hole on the outside of the hand and enlarged the hole without chipping anything and it now runs fine.

    I also took 2 pic's of the Hairspring stud, which is not Hamilton or if it is, it is not typical Hamilton.

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    Jim, that is a wonderful R H Smith dial. I guess it deserved a home.
     
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    The hairspring stud and its side plate retention were used also on some of the early 16s Hamilton Ball movements.
     
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