A French Morbier/Comtoise

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  1. Rustywrench

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    Cleaned oiled and some temporary parts installed. Keeping great time for weeks now.
    Can anyone place a date or village where it could have come from?

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    i think it would be really tough to narrow down a village, but judging by the verge escapement and the gong chime, i date this one around 1880 or so.
     
  4. Uhralt

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    I agree with the dating of the clock. Just to avoid any confusion: This clock has an anchor escapement. The "real" verge escapements (also called spindle escapements) were used up until about 1860. The location were the clock was sold was usually indicated on the dial, which is unfortunately missing.

    Uhralt
     
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    several features can be used to roughly date a comtoise,each of which does not allow to nail it down to a certain year but looked at alltogether give an idea of when the clock was made.
    Layout of cage ; Your´s could also accomodate a month runner, the mvmt. standing a bit "on high heels" => after 1870
    Anchor or recoil escapement : Changed from verge ca between 1860-1880
    Strike on a gong instead of a bell => 1880-1900 or even later
    Shape of the side doors later than 1880
    They were made based on the division of labor in the France Comte , the location often found on a dial represents the first retailer or sometimes the first owner if he had let the dial be made to his special order. Do You have the face -brass suround and dial?
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    No. I’m sorry I don’t have the face or dial
     
  7. Joseph Bautsch

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    This works had a calendar feature as well. Do you have the calendar hand pipe and gear? It's not shown in any of your photos. I also agree with the dating already discussed.
     
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    No I don’t have the date wheel. I’d like to know more about the high on the heels. What does this refer too?
     
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    I have six of these clocks in my colection and have never heard of the term "high on the heels". Does not mean it does not exist. Perhaps someone will post its meaning. I would like to add it to my dictionary of clock terms. Finding a replacement date pipe and wheel will be difficult. While most of these clocks are alike in design they don't necessarily conform to the same dimentions. So even if you could find it as a part on line it may not fit.
     
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    I think the reference is based on the thought that a tall clock can potentially run for a longer duration.
     
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  11. Uhralt

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    I think that Burkhard meant that the frame of the movement (the plates) is tall enough to accommodate an two additional wheels that are needed for a month-runner. There is a lot of empty space on the plates beneath the mainwheels, thus the "high heels".

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  12. Carl in France

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    Your 'M' scratched on the time side is usual in French clocks for 'motion' and the 'S' is for 'sonnerie' which can be translated various ways according to meaning but 'ringing of the bell' works .

    Find a dial......or, make a dial. Could be an interesting clock that way.
     
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    Ok. I’ve exhausted all my avenues for parts. Does anyone have one of these Morbier’s that they could remove the calendar hand pipe and 31 tooth wheel and make a detailed drawing or take some pictures with some measurements that I could use to build these parts?
    This is a borrowed picture.

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    I have a movement with these parts. Send me a private message. I can trace the wheels on a piece of paper and send you photos.
     
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    That famous auction site always has a few old clocks with the parts and occasionally the parts themselves, try a search such as, pièces détachées pour horloge comtoise.
    One thing i have found is that not all pipe sizes for the alarm or the calender wheel are the same....similar but not the same so some adjustment may be required.
    Possible worth a look?

    Eg...MOUVEMENT GM A ANCRE D'HORLOGE COMTOISE A GONG 19eme REVISER N° 9 | eBay

    Eg....horloge comtoise pendule 'mécanisme cadran émaillée' | eBay
     
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    Thank you. I will take a look
     
  18. Rustywrench

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    Yes. I’ve been watching eBay for awhile. May just take time
     

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