A favor for a friend...

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  1. ScotSun

    ScotSun Registered User

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    This clock belongs to my wife's best friend and was her grandmother's and very dear to her... 20171208_210459.jpg 20171208_210550.jpg 20171208_210601.jpg

    ...it has a Seth Thomas "89" movement and a mark on the bottom that is almost indecipherable but appears to be "1916J"...
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    It is running well and the only thing that appears wrong is that the ratchet for the chime wind will not engage. I do not think that will be a problem to fix but I also wanted to give the owner some more information on the clock and I cannot see this model on Seth Thomas Antique Clocks - Clock Model Names

    If there is better resource online I would appreciate the info or if anyone knows what this is or if the printing on the bottom is significant...

    Thanks!
     
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    your clock looks like the "Belmont Model No 1" in Trans ST book ( Arlington Book Co,) It is shown from a 1913 Catalog
     
  3. ScotSun

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    Thank you VERY much! She will be pleased.
     
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    So... I thought that this would be an easy fix... While it was in the case, I was able to get the arbor to engage the steel and start winding. But the wind ratchet was not working. I took the movement out and saw that the ratchet tension spring wire was under the ratchet lever and not holding it to the gears. I got the tension spring wire to hold down the lever but when I go to try and wind it, that wire pops off...
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    ...this looks like a simple device that should stay where it is put but I seem to have trouble with it. This is on the strike spring. For this Seth Thomas "89" movement, the one on the time spring is somewhat held in place by another gear that sits over it...

    ...any ideas?
     
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    Suggestion: Why not put together your thoughts on your problem and start a thread (topic) in the Clock Repair forum, where the experts can help you?
     
  6. roughbarked

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    The click spring should be held onto the great wheel by at least two or three wires that are bent over the spring and riveted through the wheel itself. There should be a series of two tiny holes each side of where the spring sits two or three pairs. The spring needs to be refastened to the wheel in the same manner.
    Or at least that is the experience I had recently where I had to turn both great wheels over because every tooth was worn almost half way. The only choice was to turn the wheels over and use the other side of the teeth. In this process I had to take the clicks and springs off and put them on the other side as well.
     
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    You dont want the click spring coming off, it can be a nasty painful accident, needs to be repaired.
     
  8. ScotSun

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    Does not appear so on this movement... The click spring on the time steel does not either but an edge of another wheel appears to be placed so that it would prevent that one coming off. The click spring for the strike spring does not have this or anything else to hold it in. I think I may be the first to ever take this movement out of the case so I do not believe that any retaining wires were ever in place or were even designed to be in this movement.
     
  9. roughbarked

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    Can you show a photograph of the one where the click spring is still in place?
     
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    This is the time spring...you can just see that the edge of the other wheel just covers the click spring. The other side, you can just see in this shot is the strike spring and has a second wheel directly over the spring wheel but not close enough to hold the click spring in place.

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  11. roughbarked

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    You are going to have to look better than that. There is no way any clock maker would allow a click spring to foul on another wheel. These click springs are attached to the wheel they sit on. If yours has come loose then either the clips that held it are gone or the spring has had a bit broken off where it self clipped on. If you examine the one that isn't broken more carefully, it all should become more obvious.
     
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    The other end of the click spring has a square end which goes through the wheel and is held on that way.
     
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    But if it has fallen out , it needs to be refitted as tightly as it was originally.
     
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    One is in and one is out, yes as i said important to repair
     
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    In your first picture the 2 nibs sticking down from the spring are force fit into two holes on the main wheel. These two holes will have to be closed a little bit and the spring nibs force fit into them again. The movement will have to come apart to do this. Seems like favors are the problem fixes and you get married to them.
     
  16. ScotSun

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    Yes... this is an enlarged close up of the time side click spring, which is working fine...

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    But you can see on the far side how the second wheel in the power train overhangs it and it would be more difficult for this one to pop out.

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    The strike side does not have that benefit...
     
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    These do pop out whether there is a wheel there or not. The manufactures usually do a very good job of fitting them for it is very uncommon to see them pop out. Yes the clock has to be stripped down to refit the spring. If it isn't fitted properly, it goes without saying that it will never stay in.
     

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