A different 400 day clock

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  1. Dutchy127

    Dutchy127 Registered User

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    Hi John,
    I'm cleaning a 400 day clock which has a different ratchet release spring as I've seen before.
    The clock has the markings " Urania 138312 " .
    I'll attach some photos for you. Any info would be grately received.
    Thanks Philip

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  2. John Hubby

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    #2 John Hubby, Jan 25, 2019
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    Philip, this must be the first Kienzle clock you have encountered. The ratchet spring assembly you asked about was first introduced in late 1908 and then used exclusively for their "massiv" solid pinion rectangular plate movements until they stopped production in 1929. Their round plate front-wind movements used the standard leaf style click spring on the front plate instead of a coil spring.

    The serial number you have mentioned that is shown on the back plate and pendulum disc would place your clock being made in first half 1915. This movement back plate is the same as Plate 1575, except it does not have the word "Germany" to the right and above the word "Urania". This particular clock was made by Kienzle for Andreas Huber, who owned the "Urania" trademark. Huber then sold it to the dealer shown on the dial. Unfortunately I can't read the name of the dealer, only his location in Ipswich.

    One question, the upper suspension bracket looks unusual and I can't identify it from the photo you provided, too blurry. Will appreciate seeing a couple of clear focus close-up photos to see what it is.
     
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    I believe the retailer might be Boby & Jannings.
    Use of a UV light might make it more apparent.
    Then again, the post-polishing pic doesn't look promising.
     
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    Thank you very much for your info John. Much appreciated. Im only a beginner in clock repair but enjoy all aspects of it.
    Attached are the pictures you requested. Hope the are ok. Where would i be able to find that information myself. I'm really interested in the 400 day clocks especially. Thanks again for your help.
    Philip

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    Philip, thanks for the excellent photos. That suspension is the Andreas Huber patent "C" gimbal version made for Kienzle starting in late 1907. There were two versions, one for JUF which is bracket No. 15 in the Repair Guide, shown incorrectly to be made by Kienzle. The Kienzle version uses the same support as bracket No. 18, which is shown as "Unknown" but in fact was used by Kienzle and W. Worth & Co.

    Regarding the information I post, the huge majority is my private archives and database set that I've constructed for 28 different makers so far. To date I've only published the data for Gustav Becker clocks, and even that is not complete as it is missing the serial number set for their alarm clocks made with a tic-tac pendulum from 1878 to 1913. All the other Becker data is posted here on the message board: Gustav Becker Serial Number Dating
    I recommend when you have any kind of question and can't find the answer via a search of the Message Board, just ask and someone with very likely be able to answer your question. You can build your own info resource by archiving links to the appropriate threads and posts you find here. Hope this helps!
     
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    Thank John for all your help. As I'm new to NAWCC I'm not sure how to post a video but will try to post it here. It's from a clock movement I bought on ebay and has 9 bars. The clock is ready and irking fine now but I don't recognise the tune it plays. Could you help me please.
    Thanks Philip
     
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    Philip,

    Those are the Whittington chimes.

    Eric
     

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