A best best quality multicolor gold 6s case

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  1. artbissell

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    #1 artbissell, Feb 14, 2012
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    0s 18k.jpg IMG_9562a.jpg IMG_9567a.jpg In 40+ years of observing these colorful extravagances this is best I have seen and only 18k I have. Previously thought all American sold mc cases with more than 3 colors were 14k. This came in original leather box showing no evidence of any careless use. Image color fidelity far from perfect. Case is by Western Watch Case Co., Chicago. I know nothing about that group. IMG_9579a.jpg IMG_9575aa.jpg IMG_9572a.jpg
     
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    A similar heavy 6s case mc with same Elgin 1888 movement was made by C. W. Mfg. Co. 1875-1905. Courvoisier and Wilcox. One of original C.W. owners Charles Schwitter quit 1877 to start a case making business. Some style and marking similarities with W.W. mfg. Co. case below indicate some influence by C.W. perhaps?
     

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    What a beauty!
     
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    Simply Magnificent !! I particularly like the crispness, the vivid applied multi colors still present, the blue sapphires in the basket, and of course the 18K content !!

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    #5 artbissell, Feb 15, 2012
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    Much looking has Shwitter only in NY and Mass. as casemaker. Nothing I can find about Western Watch Case Co. Listed as Chicago based starting in 1892. So case shown here with 3 million Elgin is from after 1892? So still looking for info about w.w.c.c. Some one there demonstrated superior case making skills on at least one.
     
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    #6 artbissell, Feb 17, 2012
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    Risking excessive unmannerly obsession about the people who did the work on the complex decorated 6 size hunter case marked as shown again here. Able to find only a listing for Western Watch Case Co., Chicago. No other info about people, products, active period, reputation, etc. Better images:
     

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    #7 artbissell, Mar 27, 2012
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    0s 18k.jpg wwcc4ax.jpg Since this post have learned little about the Western Watch Case Co. fancy case maker. A 48 page catalog of 1900+ with 60 case examples shown exists. A 1919 watch has marking of wwcmfgco and 19 1/2K. So made cases 1892-1920. A significant really fine case maker not well known and appreciated although a long term Chicago maker. Notice 1895 32xxx is marked like a briefly used Wadsworth initials. 1919 217xxx is deliberately distinctive and indicates more than 200,000 made. Any info or sample images of wwcco cases very interesting to me. And others?
     
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    I just came across another beautiful 6 size Western 14k multicolor case.


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    So they made at least 2. Have not heard from anyone else yet about others. Is marking same for 14 as for 18k?
     
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    This one is marked only "Western Warranted 14k 1478". The serial number of the Elgin movement dates it to 1889.
     
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    This good one is from another Western name case maker. So still anticipating more examples from the fine reputation. but unpopular W.W.C.Co.
     
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    Although not a multi-color gold case, this white gold/enameled 19.5k W.W.C. Co. case in my collection (housing a Riverside "Colonial" movement) is very pretty. Art, this may be the circa 1919 watch you referenced earlier in this thread.
     

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    That is a beautiful watch case. Thanks for sharing!
     
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    Ethan: Here I go again plagarizing your good stuff. I guess they used 19.5k gold to get the best possible glitter. Interesting that the only other wwcco I find is yours that certrainly makes the Riverside look good.

    You used nicely the color backgound contrast to show well the white metal.
     
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    Here's a picture of the markings.
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    dia.JPG diab.JPG I picked this one up a week or so ago. Believe it or not it's a real diamond too.
     
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    In these old mc cases, they usually are good grade diamonds.
     

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    #18 artbissell, Oct 4, 2012
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    Member Steve Brewer, fine watch collector, reluctantly sold me a very fine Crescent watch case Co. 6s multicolor that is maybe better quality overall than the Western w.c.co example here. Perhaps Kent can verify that Western was one of the first names for Crescent, or maybe a quality category, that later became Keystone. I do not see that in a Crescent history as Steve reports. Second click on Steve's photo for detail. I never know how to value these diamonds and rubies in cases for a fair valuation. In most cases I usually do not see much additional value; in this one I think I do.

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    sderek: Appreciate your noticing another Western marked mc. Looks like they made various qualities.
     
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    Much delayed correction that 6 size is a big fat 0. Still have no information about W.W.C.Co. It was not made when Wadsworth was using same initials. artbissell
     
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    I have a technical questions as a novice:

    1. How to judge the quality of a multicolor gold case?

    2. How to determine the value of a multicolor gold case?

    3. What's the least common design among multicolor gold case?
     
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    #23 artbissell, Jul 13, 2013
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    You have good questions. Not easy for me to answer in absolutes.

    1. 18k is rare. Polished flat surfaces reflect undistorted images. Heavy weight. Quality of hand work. Fine jewel quality. Compare to well photographed examples or actual good ones. Google images to compare, although good photos of the m.c.s are rare. Some of mine are good and many appear in Google and Bing search.

    2. Ordinary ones: little more than scrap value. Really nice ones and 18k about twice scrap value. Exceptionals 3 times and more.

    3. Thin gold inlays in silver or gold.


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