9 Tube disassembling

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  1. TEACLOCKS

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    I am going to be disassembling this movement and I was wondering how the strike snail and the hour hand sync. ??
    The rack tail is going to drop down to 3:00 on the snail & the hour hand is on 9:00

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    #2 brian fisher, May 1, 2019
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    i'm trying to figure out what brand of movement you have there. that one looks kind of obscure. jj elliot?

    ive messed around with a good number of tube movents in my relatively short time playing with clocks. they usually have 2 options in this department. first and easiest is that many actually have an alignment pin on the hour cannon barrel for the hour hand. the second and most common is nothing at all for alignment. in this case, you can let the movement strike to see what hour it is on and then set the hour hand to that position. you can also easily find the 12 oclock position by rotating the snail to the position where the rack touches it at its smallest diameter. this is what i usually do. i try to set the gearing so it hits right in the middle of the flat.

    edit: i looked through the photos again by enlarging them. that movement is somewhat of an oddball. it appears that since the hour hand is actually screwed to the hour canon, there may be some sort of friction clutch inside that gear. have you tried just rotating the hand? it kind of appears that perhaps you can simply overcome a bit of friction and set it wherever you need to?
     
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    Also I've seen friction fit snails that can be moved. I usually set the hour to the 11:00 position, because it's the narrowest one on the snail.
     
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    well, you have a lot more experience than i do bugs, but i cant figure out how the 11 oclock would be the narrowest. why wouldn't it be the 12?
     
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    No Friction on snail. hand is screwed to hour cannon. looks like you have to manually turn the strike snail too sync.
    And no trademark.
     
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    #6 brian fisher, May 1, 2019
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    no. judging by the photos, the snail definitely does not have a friction clutch. the hour canon looks like it does though. did you try putting some pressure on the installed hour hand to see if you can rotate it?

    so....you just have this random movement you are fixing? no dial and no cabinet?


    without further information, i am going to guess it is a late model elliot. the only reason i think this is due to the machine tooling on the plates. i see elements of Charles jacques there and i also see some hans winterhalder as well. even a little bit of herschede from the back side. the reality is that all of these manufactures copied elements of each other's designs. all of them are perhaps 90% the same in a lot of ways no matter who made it.
     
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    Sorry
    The hour cannon is on a friction,
    It was stuck.
    After taking the cannon off I saw, My mistake.
    Thank you all for putting up with me, I guess I am getting older every day.
     
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    I'm glad I don't have that problem, teaclocks! :D
    Brian - if you look at the spacing, the 11:00 has less gap than the 12:00 - 1:00 gap. That's why I prefer it over the 12:00 shelf for setting. However, if your way works for you, there's no arguing with success.
     
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    #9 TEACLOCKS, May 3, 2019
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    You wanted to see the dial. This dial weighs 11 1/2 LBs
    There is an AB, inside front plate, lower left

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    it has the "elite" flower between the 12 and the moon phase. i don't think it is a Jacques movement though.

    i would guess this one is really early. probably before 1915? @chimeclockfan could perhaps tell you more.
     
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    #11 TEACLOCKS, May 3, 2019
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    Sorry
    These letters look like
    AE, FL, FE.
    Maybe
     
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    I was getting ready to put on the dial.
    AND

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