5' Vintage wall long case

Darrmann39

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I'm putting some weight cable on this clock badly frayed and ready to break and had to repair the peg that broke off the adjustable crutch that goes into the pendulum leader and owner had no idea of origin and i was just curious. What's odd is its time weighted and mainspring for the bim bam chime and hour strike.
No markings of any kind. China?

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Willie X

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German me thinks and those plastic motion gears are saying 1970 baby. :)
Others will know more. Willie X
 
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Darrmann39

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German me thinks and those plastic motion gears are saying 1970 baby. :)
Others will know more. Willie X
Thanks Willie, they sure made it hard to remove movement. Had to reach in and remove dial pins and remove dial to get to the screws that hold the movement in. Someone with hands bigger then mine would have a much harder time .
 

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Your clock does have some odd features, like over-length screws, that plate on the back with 3 hammer springs, odd seconds bit, homemade (?) pendulum post plate, very unusual cutout for barrel, etc.

Usually, someone on this list has good info on just about anything though, so be patient.

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brian fisher

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that clock is a real oddity in my opinion. the cabinet (or at least the part you have shown in your photo) looks a good bit similar to a New Haven #10 jeweler's regulator. i would agree with willie that the movement has attributes that would probably date it to the 1970's or 80's. the u-shaped cutout at the bottom front of the movement is really odd. obviously, that is the winding barrel for the going train. i wonder why the movement was designed so that part could be removed without splitting the plates? i think more and better photos would be great. i wouldn't mind seeing more of the cabinet.
 

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that clock is a real oddity in my opinion. the cabinet (or at least the part you have shown in your photo) looks a good bit similar to a New Haven #10 jeweler's regulator. i would agree with willie that the movement has attributes that would probably date it to the 1970's or 80's. the u-shaped cutout at the bottom front of the movement is really odd. obviously, that is the winding barrel for the going train. i wonder why the movement was designed so that part could be removed without splitting the plates? i think more and better photos would be great. i wouldn't mind seeing more of the cabinet.
I saw some pics of a Mason and Sullivan that i thought the case looked like also.
They might have made that removable because of the way they made it so hard to get the weight cable in. It goes in a hole easy to get to but comes out the back and then you tie it and pull it back in. I had to take it off to work it out and cut. The cable had to be replaced. Just got some cable today will be putting back together. Last pic is the Mason and Sullivan had the same type strike bars
Also the pendulum center piece, not sure the technical term for it has what looks like a Junghans star

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Here's some more pics of back with pendulum hanger on. I repaired the broken post on crutch. Wrong long suspension spring bending the post breaking it. I also put some new springs on the strike bars they seemed really weak

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I really am getting the vibes that some decently creative person put this clock together as an individual project. The gong block is cut in half and put on opposite sides (the stamping is cut off). The way the sound boards are mounted on the back of the clock don't seem to be standard either IMHO. The movement is very strange - relatively thick brass plates but el-cheapo plastic wheels for the motion works (and no plastic elsewhere on the front of the movement). You can see where the chime train drive wheel would have been mounted on the rear plate of the movement. Someone took it off and sawed off the strike lever and replaced it with a little piece to actuate the strike hammers.

I think this clock is a one off venture chime movement that was turned into a bim/bam movement, likely due to the chime train failing originally.

Regards.
 
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I really am getting the vibes that some decently creative person put this clock together as an individual project. The gong block is cut in half and put on opposite sides (the stamping is cut off). The way the sound boards are mounted on the back of the clock don't seem to be standard either IMHO. The movement is very strange - relatively thick brass plates but el-cheapo plastic wheels for the motion works (and no plastic elsewhere on the front of the movement). You can see where the chime train drive wheel would have been mounted on the rear plate of the movement. Someone took it off and sawed off the strike lever and replaced it with a little piece to actuate the strike hammers.

I think this clock is a one off venture chime movement that was turned into a bim/bam movement, likely due to the chime train failing originally.

Regards.
The case seems to be a very well made original inside and out. If anything i think isomeone took the movement and modified it to the case . It was very strange how it was mounted. I had to take the dial pins out remove it to get to the screws holding the movement .
Wasn't easy.
I found a Mason and Sullivan movement that looks very similar with springs on going block. But does have a gong block. Possibly took a movement like this and did what is done to put in this case .Also one with plastic wheel.
I talked to owner he informed me it was owned by a clock repairman and his son.

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afaik Kieninger built a movement with weight powered going train and spring powered chimes/strike.They weren´t ashamed of using plastic wheels in their clocks, I remember a realy expensive 3 melody chiming clock with a plastic escape wheel in the jeweled platform o_O
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