400 days clock???

CCInet

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Hi, someone posted this clock.
It claims to be 400 days, which seems very strange to me.
Is it possible for a winding clock of these characteristics to have a reserve of 400 days?
Regards.

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Very interesting movement, not a common clock.
 

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Hi, I finally got the 400 day clock. I ran into two problems.
1- The anchor pivot is broken, I will have to repivoting.
Is there a simple way to do it?

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2- The fusee cable is out of place.
Apparently it is not cut anywhere so it will be a matter of putting it back in place.

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The watch box is not the original and I don't like it, so getting or making a suitable box will be another part of the project.
I only paid $ 10 for it. I think that even with the state it is in, it has potential.
We'll see if anything good comes out of it.

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Greetings
 

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The simple way to repivot would be to contact one of those members of this board who do repivoting. Their experience is required.
If you are already competent with lathe work, then you could turn up a new pallet staff.
Most of the problems will be with the safe removal and replacement of the old brass anchor and leader. They'll come off and go back on but they may be brittle.
 

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Bad news...
The spring is broken.:banghead:
I have fixed many but this one is too strong, I do not think I can form the hook with the tools that I have available ...:?|

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This is a broken spring. You do need to replace it.
Not saying it cannot be repaired but it isn't easy and a new spring will be better as well as cheaper and safer.
Thanks roughbarked
But unfortunately in my country Argentina, it is very difficult to get spare parts, they simply do not exist.
It only remains to see on the outside, ebay perhaps. But here even that is difficult.
On the other hand, it does not seem like a common spring, it is very strong, a phonograph one could be adapted perhaps ...
 

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CCINet,

A replacement spring I believe can be bought from Timesaver.
You measure the thickness, length and width of the spring and search the online catalog from the link below to find a suitable one.


You need to have a spring winder to install the new spring into the barrel.

Mun C W
 
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CCInet

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Successes !!
Finally I was able to repair the spring using the old technique of de-tempering the end where the new coupling will be made.
Luckily it broke at the start so I haven't lost any significant length so the string timing not varies a lot.

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CCINet,

A replacement spring I believe can be bought from Timesaver.
You measure the thickness, length and width of the spring and search the online catalog from the link below to find a suitable one.


You need to have a spring winder to install the new spring into the barrel.

Mun C W
Mun C W, Excellent information!
It is to keep in mind.
Very thankful!

Alejandro
 

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I only paid $ 10 for it. I think that even with the state it is in, it has potential.
That was really an incredible bargain. When your renovation is finsihed, you will have a lovely and uncommon clock. I have long wanted one of these, never been able to find one - I am very envious!

JTD
 

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Alejandro,

I have a clock with a similar Carl Werner fuzee movement as your clock and fitted, I believe in an originial case. However the dial inscription is a little different as can be seen in the pictures below.

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Mun C W
 
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CCInet

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Alejandro,

I have a clock with a similar Carl Werner fuzee movement as your clock and fitted, I believe in an originial case. However the dial inscription is a little different as can be seen in the pictures below.

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Mun C W
Beautiful watch congratulations !!
Unfortunately the box mine came with is not the original at all.
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I am thinking of a donor and this one seems very suitable.

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It seems that someone literally transcribed the inscriptions on the dial logo from English into Spanish.
Trade Mark -> Marca de fabrica :screwball:
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It seems that someone literally transcribed the inscriptions on the dial logo from English into Spanish.
Trade Mark -> Marca de fabrica
You can find the same wording in German and English, and now we have a Spanish version. Why are you puzzled?

JTD

PS Or do you mean the translation is not perfect? If so, that is also not unusual!
 
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CCInet

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You can find the same wording in German and English, and now we have a Spanish version. Why are you puzzled?

JTD

PS Or do you mean the translation is not perfect? If so, that is also not unusual!
The correct translation would be "Marca registrada" but it is possible that the translation was made in Germany and translated verbatim.
Today "Trade Mark" or TM as part of a brand does not need to be translated, its understanding is universal. But 100 years ago maybe it was different

There is also a spelling error in the word "dias" in spanish is written "días" with an accent.
And the word "Relój" does not have an accent, it should be written "Reloj"

The phrase correctly in spanish would be:
"Reloj de 400 días de cuerda"
 
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I have a couple of the R/A regulator clocks, similar or identical to Mun's. I've seen that movement in many different case styles, as an American banjo , a Tiffany dialed "Grandmother" clock, under a dome , as a skeleton, a German box clock case...

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The correct translation would be "Marca registrada" but it is possible that the translation was made in Germany and translated verbatim.
Today "Trade Mark" or TM as part of a brand does not need to be translated, its understanding is universal. But 100 years ago maybe it was different

There is also a spelling error in the word "dias" in spanish is written "días" with an accent.
And the word "Relój" does not have an accent, it should be written "Reloj"

The phrase correctly in spanish would be:
"Reloj de 400 días de cuerda"
Thanks for the information. Sadly, manufacturers selling in countries other than their own are not always successful in translation, even today. 100 years ago translation possibilities were more limited than they are today, but I give the manufacturers credit for trying.

JTD
 

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After seeing possibilities for the repair of the anchor pivot, I decided to try an insert made with a donor gear.
Without touching in the slightest the end of the original broken pivot for a possible future final repair.
I simply took a recycled bronze pivot gear and drilled a hole that would fit the end of the broken anchor shaft, after adjusting it I soldered it with strong tin.
It is working without problems now and I calculate it should be done for a long time since it only supports the weight of the anchor, about 20 grams.

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