400 Day Peter Hass Anniversary Clock.....Cannon pinion needed.

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  1. ClockBiz

    ClockBiz Registered User

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    I have a 400 day clock which I believe is a Peter Hass made clock. It has been abused as you can see! and the previous 'repairer' did a really rough job on it according to the customer. It came to me missing the cannon pinion (the customer said "he could not find a part")!!!! and so I'm reaching out to any forum member that I can either buy it from, or information as to who might have a replacement? I have some 'donor' 400 day clocks but no matches unfortunately!

    Thanks a million in advance and I'll attach a few pic's to hopefully i.d. the missing cannon pinion that the clock needs. I'm attaching the hour and minute motion wheels to be able to count the teeth. Hope that all helps!!

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  2. Burkhard Rasch

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    I´d guess the movement was made by Philip Haas&Söhne in St.Georgen/black forest region of Germany .HTH
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  3. ClockBiz

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    Yes!! absolutely correct. Hopefully, someone will have a correct cannon pinion for the clock! Normally, I don't usually repair 400 day clocks...BUT...the customer has a lot of sentimental value attached to it! and he had another clock I repaired for him.
     
  4. KurtinSA

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    As far as I know, clocks attributed to Phillip Haas in the repair guide are actually made by Ph. Hauck. Looks like plate 1425 in the guide.

    As for a cannon pinion, seems like someone who has this clock would be in the best position to supply one. There are many dimensions needed to satisfy this...diameter of the mating pinions, number of leaves, diameter of the cannon shaft, height of the cannon shaft, attachment for the minute hand to name a few. I have a number of spare cannon pinions but have no way of knowing what might fit.

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  5. ClockBiz

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    Thanks for the info; Kurt...…….I'll get some dimensions together and include the other relevant information you pointed out that's needed and repost! Colin.
     
  6. MartinM

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    You could check with Chris Nimon at Horolovar.
    I'd expect he has a few lying around from clocks that previously donated mainspring barrels and such.
     
  7. KurtinSA

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    Chris tends to have mostly post WWII parts but you never know!!

    Kurt
     
  8. ClockBiz

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    Thanks guy's....yes, I already reached out to Chris and he said he hasn't got any motion wheels/cannon pinion on hand for this particular clock. I still need to post the dimensions but I'm also entertaining family from out of town as well so it might take me a little longer! lol. Also it's really hard to work on clocks when you have 7 grandkid's running around!!
     
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    I just realized it's the miniature movement. Much harder to find!
     
  10. KurtinSA

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    One of the first things that needs to be determined is how many leaves should be on the cannon pinion...that will separate many pinions out. I'm not good at figuring this out, but my math comes up with 24 leaves on the cannon pinion. From the pictures, I counted:

    - hour wheel - 72 teeth
    - intermediate wheel - 48 teeth
    - intermediate leaves - 12

    Does some have the simple equation to back compute the cannon pinion leaves?

    Kurt
     
  11. John Hubby

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    To all, none of the movements in the Repair Guide attributed to Phillipp Haas were made by Haas, as that company NEVER MADE torsion pendulum clocks. All such movements shown to be made by Haas were in fact made by Philipp Hauck, as well as a number that are shown (incorrectly) to have been made by Jahresuhren-Fabrik. Terwilliger misinterpreted the letters "P. H." in the Hauck logo stamp to mean Phillipp Haas, when in fact that company's logo stamp is "P. H. S." for Phillipp Haas & Söhne.

    Also, this movement is neither the miniature Ph. Hauck movement nor a 400-Day standard movement. It is the Ph. Hauck 200-Day Semester Uhr movement made in 1906 and 1907 (this one in early 1907 based on the serial number). ONLY parts from the same design movements are interchangeable on this movement, none of the parts for either the miniature or the full size 400-Day will work.
     
  12. Karl Burghart

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    I have one of these clocks and could make one using mine as a sample. PM me if you want to go that route.
     

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