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Wade Hubble

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I purchased this clock recently at auction. This clock is 23" tall, 14" deep, 11" wide. This clocks resembles other German verge clocks that I have but I have not found a makers mark. There are notches on the individual parts of the frame that match up with their correct part.
This clock counts the 4 quarter hours on the top bell then the lower bell counts the hour, petite sonnerie. I'm guessing the age is early to mid 17th century. It needs a few adjustments and has been cleaned so it is fully functioning. This is my first 16353599850503865916832712540366.jpg 16353600305358095141931347193052.jpg 16353600627216109415953927995980.jpg 16353600941312244949943980070027.jpg 16353601322513192353366996497851.jpg 16353601686635441332877006269742.jpg 16353602121745750487712471643665.jpg 16353602482548243513948401296970.jpg 16353603531936845821734399314586.jpg 16353603531936845821734399314586.jpg 16353604074863385546279455495015.jpg 16353605113161567772933831926605.jpg 16353605678716700399798730653145.jpg
 

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It's lovely, and a great find, I have no idea of its age, but I do get to see pics of a few 16th and 17th century clocks, and have a 16th century one sat here the metal looks different to me.
 

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I purchased this clock recently at auction. This clock is 23" tall, 14" deep, 11" wide. This clocks resembles other German verge clocks that I have but I have not found a makers mark. There are notches on the individual parts of the frame that match up with their correct part.
This clock counts the 4 quarter hours on the top bell then the lower bell counts the hour, petite sonnerie. I'm guessing the age is early to mid 17th century. It needs a few adjustments and has been cleaned so it is fully functioning. This is my first View attachment 678353 View attachment 678354 View attachment 678355 View attachment 678356 View attachment 678357 View attachment 678358 View attachment 678359 View attachment 678360 View attachment 678361 View attachment 678361 View attachment 678362 View attachment 678363 View attachment 678364
Is there a dial?

Almost looks like a small tower clock or one that was built into a structure?

RM
 

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German gothic clocks, which are very early, were made to this design, however finding someone who knows enough to spot a reproduction from an original one is not so easy.
 
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Wade Hubble

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This one is restored. The foliot and verge wheel have been replaced. Other pieces renewed and replaced. It's not so easy to find verge and foliot clocks with all original parts. So many were changed to pendulum escapements. I have several early tower clocks that had the verge wheel and foliot replaced with escape wheel and pendulum. I have no problem replacing the later escapement with a replacement verge and foliot. A restored clock may not be all original. It may not show the wear, the bent parts, coins punched out as bushings, assorted screws, bolts, baling wire and solder of unrestored clocks but they are none the less unique pieces.
 
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I think anything that is close to the age this clock looks to be would have had to have been restored, repaired and serviced many many times… otherwise it would not have survived, so you can definitely forgive a bit of restoration!
 
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Wade Hubble

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Nobody agrees about restoration. If I can buy a nice 3 train clock for $2000 I do. Will I spend 15000 for the unrestored one one? I'll have to think on that. This first clock is about 10 inches square. It still needs most of a strike train, the foliot was rebuilt. Should I just have left it? Screenshot_20211029_235629_com.amazon.clouddrive.photos.jpg Screenshot_20211030_010219_com.android.gallery3d.jpg Screenshot_20211030_010453_com.android.gallery3d.jpg Screenshot_20211030_010533_com.android.gallery3d.jpg
These 3 speak for themselves, once completed and painted is it old or new?
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From rusted junk to restored crown wheel clock. Fully restored. Is it considered old or new. I try to restore as sympatheticly as possible. Screenshot_20211030_010103_com.android.gallery3d.jpg
 
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if you are saving ancient turret clocks good for you, far too many were ripped out and left to rust away.
 
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It's lovely, and a great find, I have no idea of its age, but I do get to see pics of a few 16th and 17th century clocks, and have a 16th century one sat here the metal looks different to me.
I'm not an expert on renaissance steel but I suspect that smaller ones were more high carbon steel and the turret clocks more like wrought iron. The smaller table clocks were made by piling thin pieces of bloom steel in perpendicular directions and reforging in the presence of carbon. As such the the grain is much more mixed, the slag intrusions are mostly hammered out and produces a much harder steel. Further, the pieces of the smaller table clocks were often burnished giving them a high polish. I would also think that restorers probably tend to polish small table clocks more than turret clocks further accentuating the colour and texture differences.

Of course I could be completely wrong.....and I would be interested in others thoughts.
 

novicetimekeeper

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I'm not an expert on renaissance steel but I suspect that smaller ones were more high carbon steel and the turret clocks more like wrought iron. The smaller table clocks were made by piling thin pieces of bloom steel in perpendicular directions and reforging in the presence of carbon. As such the the grain is much more mixed, the slag intrusions are mostly hammered out and produces a much harder steel. Further, the pieces of the smaller table clocks were often burnished giving them a high polish. I would also think that restorers probably tend to polish small table clocks more than turret clocks further accentuating the colour and texture differences.

Of course I could be completely wrong.....and I would be interested in others thoughts.

I did wonder about that. The other thing is that turret clocks are often painted, during their lifetime if not originally, and renaissance table clock movements are not.
 

DeanT

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I did wonder about that. The other thing is that turret clocks are often painted, during their lifetime if not originally, and renaissance table clock movements are not.
Probably makes sense to paint them for protection against the elements.
 

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