2 tone Appleton Tracy questions.

Jerrell Petersen

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I just picked up this watch and want to know a little more about it. I love this two tone look but I cant find too much info on it. Is this two tone rare in any way? When I search the serial number 4124211 on the Waltham database I seem to get info for a PS Bartlett? What do you guys think? Thanks!
 

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While I am no expert I think that in my 30+ years of looking at watches that I have seen this particular 2 tone pattern much less frequently than most of the others. I think this is a pretty neat looking watch...a keeper!
 

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That gold-on-nickel damaskeening finish (which Ed Ueberall and I frequently refer to as Tu-Tone - our own term) on an Appleton Tracy & Co. movement isn't seen very often. Please post some pictures of the rest of the watch?

Of that particular run (4124001 - 4124500), Ed Ueberall and I have two other movements recorded in the data base we maintain of railroad (and other interesting) watches: 4124450 and 4124498. Both are model 1883, gilt damaskeened, "17-jewel, Appleton Tracy & Co." marked, hunting movements. These don't look like yours at all.

Steven Mercer collects data on model 1883 movements. Perhaps has has some other examples from this run and will report upon them.

17-jewel, AT&Co Tu-tone, model 1883 movements in our data base are:

4124211 - HC - Just Added
4614437 - HC
5716259 - HC
5728520 - OF
5742749 - OF
7465297 - OF
7465320 - OF
7465477 - OF
7465482 - OF
7465745 - OF
7465826 - OF
7465920 - OF
9014594 - HC
9014686
9014739 - HC

Whenever an actual movement is different from the description in the Waltham Serial Number data base (which is based, in part, on the information published in Serial Numbers With Description of Waltham Watch Movements, Waltham Watch Co., Waltham, MA, 1954 - commonly referred to as "The Gray Book"), it is a wise idea to note the movement using the Watch Observations report. I'll report this one, but this is the way to improve the serial number data base the next time you spot a difference.

P.S. If anybody has additional examples, descriptions and pictures would be very much appreciated - Thanks!

Thanks in advance for more pictures,
 
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Jerrell Petersen

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I almost thought those two were the same watch! only one digit in the serial number is different. I did notice that the hands and dial are the same on those two but differ from the one I have. Does that mean mine isn't original? Or is it because it is from an earlier run?
 

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.... I did notice that the hands and dial are the same on those two but differ from the one I have. Does that mean mine isn't original? Or is it because it is from an earlier run?
It could go either way. Yours are just as likely to be original as to be replacements. The movements probably had the morning glory hands, but the original buyer could have gotten the spare hands when he/she bought it - I'd leave them alone.

To All:

Thanks for the additional information!
 

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It could go either way. Yours are just as likely to be original as to be replacements. The movements probably had the morning glory hands, but the original buyer could have gotten the spare hands when he/she bought it ...
That should have been spade hands
 

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Kent two more if you are still collecting serial numbers, both AT&co 17 jewel tu-tone
#1 serial Number 7465924, OF, lever set, with true double sunk dial, aribic numerals, spade hands, red track
#2 serial Number 7465924, OF, pendent set, fax double sunk dial, roman numerals, open morning glory hands, red track
 
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Thanks dennismonahan:

Its almost eight years later, but yes. Ed and I are still collecting data on these watches.

However, #1 & #2 are the same serial number. Which is really serial number 7465924 and what is the other's serial number?

Thanks again,
 

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OK my bad!!!
#2 is the real 7465924 and #1 is 7465363
again thanks for all your work
Thanks for taking the time and effort to report the correct serial numbers!

Okay, here's what Ed and I have in our data base for this run of model 83, 17-jewel, open-face, tu-tone, AT&Co movements:

7,465,085 - PS
7,465,155 - PS
7,465,200 - PS
7,465,277 - PS
7,465,297 - PS
7,465,320 - PS
7,465,363 - LS - Just Added
7,465,452 - PS
7,465,455 - PS
7,465,477 - LS
7,465,482 - PS
7,465,619 - PS
7,465,745 - PS
7,465,826 - PS
7,465,920 - Setting means not noted
7,465,924 - PS
7,465,980 - PS
 
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Thanks Rick!
 

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Thanks for taking the time and effort to report the correct serial numbers!

Okay, here's what Ed and I have in our data base for this run of model 83, 17-jewel, open-face, tu-tone, AT&Co movements:

7,465,085 - PS
7,465,155 - PS
7,465,200 - PS
7,465,277 - PS
7,465,297 - PS
7,465,320 - PS
7,465,363 - LS - Just Added
7,465,452 - PS
7,465,455 - PS
7,465,477 - LS
7,465,482 - PS
7,465,619 - PS
7,465,745 - PS
7,465,826 - PS
7,465,920 - Setting means not noted
7,465,924 - PS
7,465,980 - PS
Here’s another one, #7041029, pendant set. I‘ve had it for over 10 years, and although the case doesn’t appear to be original, this is the way I bought it. The serial number seems to be pretty far off of the others listed?

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Thanks Mike & Tom

Ed and I have the following for the run (7041001 - 7041500) of model 83, 17-jewel, open-face, AT&Co movements:

7,041,029 Tu-Tone - PS - Just Added
7,041,070 Gilt - Setting means not noted
7,041,149 Gilt - PS
7,041,154 Tu-Tone - Setting means not noted
7,041,283 Tu-Tone - PS
 
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