1900 ST Black Mantel After Cleanup

CTMusicStraps

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Hi again
So a while back - almost a couple of years ago, I posted in “My Latest Acquisition “ category about the Seth Thomas Black Mantel Clock I bought from a Widow lady who had seen the clock set on a shelf but never run for over 30 years. It was stenciled 1900 on bottom of clock. A month code had been included but it was faded so bad I could not make out the month.

When I first received the clock it was fully wound, but not working. I dusted it off, applied a smaller amount of oil to a few pivots and a little over the springs. It still would not stay ticking until I raised one side up a few inches high. So I knew which way to adjust the crutch. I adjusted enough to get it going. Then some days later I started it going again and allowed it to run so that the springs could slowly unwind. It ran for 10 days!

Some months later I removed the movement (the Hip movement 3-5/8” that was used in the 1800’s), and with a let down tool released all the pressure from springs slowly letting them down all the way while they were still in movement. Open end springs can be done safely that way. I cleaned them, wiping solvent between the leaves and rewiping until clean, then I oiled them and wound and released each spring several times until all the spring oil (I used Slick 50 One) had distributed through out. I then wound the springs enough to install the safety spring C-Ring clamps on, and released until the power was retained.

looked over the movement to find very little wear for a clock 122 years old at the time. So I used an electronic solvent designed not to leave residue, and cleaned around pivot holes. I pegged in them too and when things looked clean, I wiped the plates too and oiled the pivots with a small amount of Whitlocks Synthetic Clock oil. I especially noticed the escape wheel pivot hole was in very good shape.
Perhaps not being run for decades, it didn’t have much chance to wear.

Next I took the clock case apart and labeled, tagged every screw and piece of hardware. I realized the case had never been taken apart and there was almost a reverence I experienced thinking of the clockmakers who last assembled it over 100 years ago. All main case screws had new looking slots with just a little of the black paint brushed over them when the inside of case was painted at the Seth Thomas factory.

I used Gojo (original formula without pumice) several times over and over using rags, paper towels and soft nylon brushes to clean the case and get into the engraving in the Adamantine finish.

I didn’t repaint anything, and not wanting to make the hardware galdy or unrealistic looking, I soaked metal first in Dawn dishwashing liquid. Then I scrubbed the copper plate castings with baking soda and white vinegar, sometimes I used lemon juice. It cleaned it gently and allowed the original finish (what had not eroded away) to remain.

My original paper dial was sandwiched in the brass and guilt finished bezel so I didn’t soak, but carefully cleaned it with brush, cotton swabs, etc until it was nice and clean. I didn’t do anything to the paper part.

After cleaning metal hardware I sprayed the feet and Egyptian Lions with a clear protective coat of Krylon Lacquer to seal and prevent future tarnish. Before cleaning much of the hardware was dirty and turned almost black.

I carefully dipped a Q-tip in clear lacquer and applied it over the cleaned brass and guilt on dial bezel for tarnish prevention as well.

After cleaning all the Adamantine parts and buffing by hand, I applied a thin coat of Brazilian pure Carnauba wax to the already shiny black Adamantine.

Here are pics, before and after.
CT

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CTMusicStraps

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Thanks Todd!
This one I keep in my collection, and keep it wound. After finishing things I sent a video of it all with it working and striking to the widow lady I bought it from. I also included the progress pics before and after and during my time working on it. She replied back that she was in awe and crying happy tears thinking of how her husband would have loved to see it in good shape and working again. It still retains the original back label, though a bit soiled and with a few small nicks on the paper.
CT
 

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Great job, CT! You must have patience that I never acquired :D
 

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Very nice!
I appreciate your details re: how you went about this. I am in the processof cleaning and restoring one myself, and wondered about the metal case parts.
WRL

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WRL - that column base looks factory fresh! It was antiqued with black to look just like that, so don't change anything.
 

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Fantastic job, really looks great! Of all the old clocks I've cleaned up, I had never considered taking a clock of this type completely apart before. And hadn't considered that they were screwed together like that and come apart that easy.
 

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Very nice!
I appreciate your details re: how you went about this. I am in the processof cleaning and restoring one myself, and wondered about the metal case parts.
WRL

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The feet and column hardware pieces showed age appropriate fading and wear. I discovered in some pieces (like the Lion heads) were very thin metal where the shape was pressed in and those actually had some copper plate. Actually some of my pieces hard turned almost black in places - kind of splotchy before I star

I didn’t use any stripper or brass cleaner, but only a first soak in Dawn dishwashing liquid/warm water mix; then scrubbed each piece with a paste of white vinegar & baking soda. Then I alternated that with lemon juice and baking soda (some use salt or cream of tarter), but the goal was to use a mild abrasive that only cleaned surfaces. I started with a brass wire brush, but then switched to a toothbrush if the brass wire started leaving scratches. It takes quite a bit of “elbow grease”, but after a while you start to see the difference.

Once I took the polishing/cleaning far enough to suit, I rinsed in warm water, followed by alcohol, and allowed to thoroughly dry. At that stage you can halt any further tarnish by applying a clear lacquer. I used Krylon spray lacquer for most metal pieces.

The original thick paper dial was sandwiched between an original gilt finish bezel which had been preserved quite nicely and a Zinc metal back. There were 4 very neat solder spots that kept those parts together and to try to heat that up to remove paper dial would have been totally unnecessary and would have ruined the dial, so I left that assembly intact but removed it from the case where it screws in place. I clean it by hand and the outer rim that held glass was solid brass hinged to the bezel, so since it was almost black I cleaned it and hand applied with a swab and brush the clear lacquer as well to arrest further tarnish. I accidentally got some lacquer on the glass lense but some careful cleaning with lacquer thinner solved that.

When dismantling the black Adamantine Case I recommend tagging or arranging the screws as you remove them so that you can replace them in original holes. Most of my case screws had never been removed before. I know this because not only were there no screwdriver marks, but when ST painted the inside of the wood case black with a brush, they brushed over the screw slots as well. There were only 2 screws that I didn’t remove after I had the case taken down. Those were sealed with some type of putty or epoxy material in the top of the countersink, and like the bezel assembly, there was no real benefit to removing those. There was only one connection where glue had been used. Otherwise every joint and connection had been mitered or mortised with such precision the pieces pulled together nice and tight. I was super impressed with the craftsmanship of the wood case.

I had read on these forums about using GoJo (original formula without pumice) to clean the Adamantine, and I’m here to confirm it really works!! Now you will need to apply, work in several times and change your cloths or in my case Paper Towels. I went through lots of them. A toothbrush worked great for cleaning the engraving areas and allowed the gold color from ST to show. What you see of the shiny black parts are simply cleaning, polishing to get that look.

I did apply a light application of pure Brazilian Carnauba Wax over the Adamantine, and buffed it - but mainly for protection. I could only tell a little difference in the shine because the GOJO had done such a fantastic job!

Take your time and do the case well, and it’s easy to maintain.
During this process I did send Bill Stoddard at Bills Clockworks some progress pics and shared with him things I discovered. Finding that Zinc back soldered neatly in 4 precise spots was what Bill agreed he’d seen in many similar ST antique clocks. The zinc back had actually collected this fine grit over time that I removed and he said he had seen that before too. It all confirmed I was working with an original piece.

CT
 

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Thanks. I'm just cleaning the metal up with a soft toothbrush and simple green. The adamantine columns and case are coming turining out nicely using Novus #2plastic cleaner.
The feet and column hardware pieces showed age appropriate fading and wear. I discovered in some pieces (like the Lion heads) were very thin metal where the shape was pressed in and those actually had some copper plate. Actually some of my pieces hard turned almost black in places - kind of splotchy before I star

I didn’t use any stripper or brass cleaner, but only a first soak in Dawn dishwashing liquid/warm water mix; then scrubbed each piece with a paste of white vinegar & baking soda. Then I alternated that with lemon juice and baking soda (some use salt or cream of tarter), but the goal was to use a mild abrasive that only cleaned surfaces. I started with a brass wire brush, but then switched to a toothbrush if the brass wire started leaving scratches. It takes quite a bit of “elbow grease”, but after a while you start to see the difference.

Once I took the polishing/cleaning far enough to suit, I rinsed in warm water, followed by alcohol, and allowed to thoroughly dry. At that stage you can halt any further tarnish by applying a clear lacquer. I used Krylon spray lacquer for most metal pieces.

The original thick paper dial was sandwiched between an original gilt finish bezel which had been preserved quite nicely and a Zinc metal back. There were 4 very neat solder spots that kept those parts together and to try to heat that up to remove paper dial would have been totally unnecessary and would have ruined the dial, so I left that assembly intact but removed it from the case where it screws in place. I clean it by hand and the outer rim that held glass was solid brass hinged to the bezel, so since it was almost black I cleaned it and hand applied with a swab and brush the clear lacquer as well to arrest further tarnish. I accidentally got some lacquer on the glass lense but some careful cleaning with lacquer thinner solved that.

When dismantling the black Adamantine Case I recommend tagging or arranging the screws as you remove them so that you can replace them in original holes. Most of my case screws had never been removed before. I know this because not only were there no screwdriver marks, but when ST painted the inside of the wood case black with a brush, they brushed over the screw slots as well. There were only 2 screws that I didn’t remove after I had the case taken down. Those were sealed with some type of putty or epoxy material in the top of the countersink, and like the bezel assembly, there was no real benefit to removing those. There was only one connection where glue had been used. Otherwise every joint and connection had been mitered or mortised with such precision the pieces pulled together nice and tight. I was super impressed with the craftsmanship of the wood case.

I had read on these forums about using GoJo (original formula without pumice) to clean the Adamantine, and I’m here to confirm it really works!! Now you will need to apply, work in several times and change your cloths or in my case Paper Towels. I went through lots of them. A toothbrush worked great for cleaning the engraving areas and allowed the gold color from ST to show. What you see of the shiny black parts are simply cleaning, polishing to get that look.

I did apply a light application of pure Brazilian Carnauba Wax over the Adamantine, and buffed it - but mainly for protection. I could only tell a little difference in the shine because the GOJO had done such a fantastic job!

Take your time and do the case well, and it’s easy to maintain.
During this process I did send Bill Stoddard at Bills Clockworks some progress pics and shared with him things I discovered. Finding that Zinc back soldered neatly in 4 precise spots was what Bill agreed he’d seen in many similar ST antique clocks. The zinc back had actually collected this fine grit over time that I removed and he said he had seen that before too. It all confirmed I was working with an original piece.

CT
Thanks for the detail, CT. I so appreciate the information I learn from the members of this forum. I'll post some pictures when I am done with my project.
 
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