American PW 18s John C. Dueber - What is this curious lever hooked to the mainspring barrel?

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  1. Hans van den Berg

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    #1 Hans van den Berg, Feb 10, 2019
    Having mainly cleaned 16 size pocket watches in the past, I have recently turned my attention to 18 size. Today I started on two 1890 John C. Dueber grade watches that immediately raise a question.

    Under the dial, right next to the lever setting and winding mechanisms both watches happen to have the same curious lever that appears hooked to the bottom side of the mainspring barrel. See attached picture.

    The whole construction somehow reminds me of Abbott stem wind conversions on KW Elgins, that I only know from pictures, but here there’s no Abbott patent text, so I don’t think it has anything to do with that.

    Not having seen this on other watches, I am curious to find out what this is. Can anyone shed a light on this, what this lever's function is? Thanks!

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  2. Harvey Mintz

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    #2 Harvey Mintz, Feb 10, 2019
    It looks to me like it's the click. And the part that sticks out to the edge of the dial allows you to release the click and let the mainspring wind down.
     
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    #3 Hans van den Berg, Feb 10, 2019
    Ah, thanks. that indeed makes sense. Ha, on 16 size watches these clicks are on a more accessible spot.

    That will come in handy, as one of the two is wound tightly and the movement is somehow stuck. Now I can properly let the mainspring down, investigate and clean it.
     
  4. Marty101

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    #4 Marty101, Feb 12, 2019
    I believe some movements have these "clicks" as secondary click-?? Sort of a courtesy to watchmakers?
    Is this true?
     
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    #5 Marty101, Feb 12, 2019
    Oops.
     
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    #6 Tom Huber, Feb 12, 2019
    As Harvey said, used for releasing and letting down the mainspring..
    Must use a bench key when released so the spring doesn’t snap down quickly

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    #7 Marty101, Feb 12, 2019
    Just pointing out some movements have a click plus this other mechanism-I have no idea what it is called,only it's function. Here is a comparison-see?

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    #8 Marty101, Feb 12, 2019
    Here it is closed-

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    #9 viclip, Feb 12, 2019
    Marty101 I believe the little lever on your Elgin functions to lock the movement in winding position when it's out of the case. Otherwise it would default into the setting position & wreak havoc while the movement was being timed due to the engagement of the setting mechanism.

    If you have a bench key, you might try seeing the effect of changing the lever's position vis-a-vis the winding/setting function. I can't remember whether you have to push the bench key down before the lever locks the watch in winding mode so you may have to play around a bit.
     
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    #10 Marty101, Feb 12, 2019
    Aha-yes,thank you.
     
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    #11 Rick Hufnagel, Feb 12, 2019
    Yep I like it when those Elgins have that feature, some didn't and letting it down can be a bit hairy. It just disengages the spring that pushes the winding clutch into setting mode.
     
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