1883 model Waltham freaks ( Private Labels)

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  1. Fred Hansen

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    Correction ... thanks to Steve for catching my error, but this one was actually a 77 model private-label.

    2803174 - Charles S. Hart (SS Roman "W.S. Crown & Co., Boston" dial)

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  2. Steven Mercer

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    Movement only signed: C. Haas & Son, Stockton, Cal.

    3,674,233, frosted movement, 15 jewels, SW, PS, in a silveroid, screw back and bezel case.

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    I own a 83 with GF case, #12159408 17 jewel
    safety pinion full plate. It has a wobble in the balance wheel and I have not looked into it to see the problem, I guess a jewel or staff, it will run if laying down.
    David Lewis
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  4. Jon Hanson

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    Hi,

    This thread is about private label discussions and lists thereof.
     
  5. Fred Hansen

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    Pair of exports here ...

    9368685 - J.G. Graves, Waltham, Mass (signed on SS Roman dial only, gilt 7J movement marked "Am. Watch Co., Waltham Mass.", case is a tip-out hallmarked silver)

    17771120 - G.W. Appleyard, Wakefield (signed on SS Roman dial only, gilt 7J movement marked "Am. Watch Co., Waltham Mass.")

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  6. Fred Hansen

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    13062933 - R.B. Bailie, Virginia Minn (signed on SS Arabic dial only, 17J nickel factory-marked movement)

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  7. Jon Hanson

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    fancy dial only signed "Victoria Chronometer/Waltham, Mass."
     
  8. Fred Hansen

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    4731484 - Fattorini & Sons (SS Roman "Fattorini & Sons, Bradford" dial)

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  9. Steven Mercer

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    Recently on EBay:

    Dial only signed - J.G. Graves, Waltham Mass.

    8193489, gilt movement, 7 jewels, KW, KS, barrel bridge marked Am. Watch Co., Waltham Mass., in a sterling silver case hallmarked Birmingham 1899.
     
  10. Steven Mercer

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    An EBay sale:

    Movement signed: Jacob Goldbach, Newark, N.J.

    3,416,573, gilt movement, 15 jewels, SW, LS, in coin, hunting case.
     
  11. Fred Hansen

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    5640811 - B. Haas, Haywards Cal (marked on SS Roman dial-only)

    6608713 - Fattorini & Sons, Bradford (marked on SS Roman dial only)

    15426049 - Fattorini & Sons Ltd., Westgate, Bradford, Dreadnought (marked on SS Roman dial only, all lettering in black expect the word "Dreadnought" which is red and in an arc above seconds-bit)

    Fred
     
  12. Steven Mercer

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    An EBay sale:

    Movement signed: T. Hausrhildt, Haywards, Cal.

    5,809,291, gilt movement, 11 jewels, SW, PS, in gold filled, hunting case.
     
  13. Jon Hanson

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    Haywards or Hayward?
     
  14. Steven Mercer

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    Jon

    The seller stated in the auction "Haywards, Cal."

    Inconclusive from the pictures in the links here.
     
  15. Fred Hansen

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    The dial-only I noted in my above post has better pics, and definitely looks to be "Haywards" rather than "Hayward" ...

    Haywards, Cal. dial

    Fred
     
  16. Jon Hanson

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    maybe a name rather than a city!:biggrin:
     
  17. Fred Hansen

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    I think the city had a name change, found this bit of historical info. on the city's webpage ...

    Although Don Castro named what is now downtown Hayward “San Lorenzo,” many people referred to the town as “Hayward’s Place” or “Hayward’s” because of the famous Hayward Hotel. When the post office was established in 1860, the town was given the official name of “Haywood,” due to a clerical error. In 1876, “Haywood” was incorporated as the “Town of Haywards,” with a population of 1,100. In 1894, the “s” in “Haywards” was dropped and on September 18, 1928, the status of the community was changed to the “City of Hayward.”

    Fred

    p.s. Full link ... http://www.ci.hayward.ca.us/about/history.shtm
     
  18. Jon Hanson

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    Then, that is it!

    Great job, young Fred.
     
  19. Steven Mercer

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    Recently on EBay:

    Movement signed: F.T. Wetherbee., West Rindge, N.H.

    12,570,999, nickel movement, 17 jewels, SW, PS, in gold filled, triple hinge, open face, case.
     
  20. Jeff Hess

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    Jon,

    I reported earlier in this thread "ed haas, hayward california ..dial and movement..number 12543519"

    Jeff Hess
     
  21. Jon Hanson

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    oh, thanks ole Bud!
     
  22. Fred Hansen

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    8457085 - J.G. Graves, Waltham, Mass (marked on Roman dial only)

    11003190 - Holcombe Special (marked on SS Arabic dial, also "Waltham" in curve above seconds-bit)

    15952717 - P.M. Christensen, Exira IA (movement marking)

    18657916 - Krenkel & Bosch, Winnemucca Nev. (marked movement and DS Arabic dial)

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  23. Steven Mercer

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    Fancy Dial and Barrel Bridge signed: Portugese Mercantile Co., 33 Clay St., San Francisco, Cal.

    15,886,990 nickel movement, 17 jewels, SW, LS, in a sterling, swing out case.
     
  24. Fred Hansen

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    4089603 - G.L. Moss, Spring Hill N.S. (marked movement, SS Roman 24 hour dial marked "G.L. Moss")

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    3416573, JACOB GOLDBACH on mvmt, common dial, hunter, nice coin Leader case (apparently original)

    Here for a while...
     
  26. Steven Mercer

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    Fancy Dial and Barrel Bridge signed: Vermont

    5,622,477 gilt movement, 11 jewels, SW, PS, no case. Fancy dial has big chip at the 12 mark.
     
  27. Steven Mercer

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    Dial only signed: G.R. Churchill, Amsterdam, N.Y.

    16,799,143 gilt movement, 7 jewels, SW, PS, silveroid screw back and bezel case.
     
  28. Steven Mercer

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    Dial only signed: M.P. Grunberger, 205 Springfield Ave., Newark, N.J.

    6,154,714 gilt movement, 7 jewels, SW, LS, gold filled, Empress, screw back and bezel case.
     
  29. Steven Mercer

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    Dial only signed: A.C. Stanners, 119a Queen St. W., Toronto

    5,369,551 gilt movement, 17 jewels, SW, LS, gold filled, hunter case.
     
  30. Steven Mercer

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    Dial and barrel bridge signed: J.E. Desjardins, Montreal. P.Q.

    6,673,415, gilt movement, 7 jewels, SW, LS, in an oresilver, screw back and bezel case.
     
  31. Jeff Hess

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    I know we have dicussed this before.. long ago.. and perhaps something has been done already or is in the works.. so forgive me if this is a dumb question...

    Has anyone put up a database that would allow us to ACCESS by punching in numbers for various projects? Serial numbers etc and if possible pics of the watches?

    I mean without having to burden one guy with this?

    Just like an access database that anyone could access and enter the info?

    Jeff Hess
     
  32. Steven Mercer

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    Jeff

    I can't speak for the other people collecting serial numbers or maintaining the databases, but for the model 83 private labels I am keeping everything in MS Excel. If pictures are available I am also keeping those. When big enough, it will be coming out on a CD for a Chapter 149 fun(d) raiser.
     
  33. Steven Mercer

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    Barrel bridge only signed: Standard

    3,669,899, gilt movement, 11 jewels, SW, LS, in an coin silver, triple hinge, open face case.
     
  34. Steven Mercer

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    Dial only signed: Fattorini & Son, Bradford

    6,942,494, gilt, 7 jewel, KW, in a silver, hallmarked case.
     
  35. Steven Mercer

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    Dial only signed - J.G. Graves, Waltham Mass.

    8,456,244, gilt movement, 7 jewels, KW, KS, in a sterling silver hallmarked case.
     
  36. Steven Mercer

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    Barrel bridge only signed - T. Johnson

    4,678,726, nickel movement, 15 jewels, PS, no case.
     
  37. Fred Hansen

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    4909649 - H.F. Wichman, Honolulu (marked movement and SS Roman dial)

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  38. Jon Hanson

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    1883 OF super Fancy dial signed "V. H. DUHART Y CIS/ Mexico."
     
  39. Steven Mercer

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    Dial and barrel bridge signed: Geo. R. Youmans, Waycross. GA

    7,711,735, nickel movement, 17 jewels, SW, PS, in an silveroid swing out case.
     
  40. Jon Hanson

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    Here is the scoop posted on Web Horology by 149er Henry Burgell, as posted--great job Henry!

    Healey
     
  42. Steven Mercer

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    Dial only signed: Allan McFee, Belleville, Ont.

    9,739,774 nickel movement, 15 jewels, SW, PS, gold filled, screw back and bezel case.
     
  43. Jon Hanson

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    is the movement signed American Waltham?
     
  44. Steven Mercer

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    The movement is signed "American Waltham Watch Co." in the typical script for a grade 820.
     
  45. Steven Mercer

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    Dial only signed - Schierwater & Lloyd, Liverpool

    15,214,424, nickel movement, 15 jewels, in a base metal, triple hinge, open face case.
     
  46. Steven Mercer

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    Dial and barrel bridge signed: W.A. Bowen, Kewanee, Illinois

    4,866,111, nickel movement, 11 jewels, SW, PS, in an silveroid screw back and bezel case.
     
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    5769164
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    barrel bridge stamped " The Dungarbon" in old english

    dial SS RN inner 24 hr chapter
    marked
    W M Whyte
    Doaktown N.B.
    (new brunswick??)
     
  48. Steven Mercer

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    Dial only signed - Madison

    5,382,214, nickel movement, 7 jewels, in a silveroid, triple hinge, open face case.
     
  49. Steven Mercer

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    Dial only signed - J.G. Graves, Waltham Mass.

    8,457,896, gilt movement, 7 jewels, KW, KS, barrel bridge marked Am. Watch Co., Waltham Mass., in a hallmarked sterling silver case.
     
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    Dial only signed - A. Edelstein, Paterson, N.J.

    9,100,246, nickel movement, 7 jewels, SW, LS, in a gold filled hunter case.
     

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