1883 model Waltham freaks ( Private Labels)

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  1. Jerry Treiman

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    Considering the vintage of the 14-size dials (1874 and 1884 models), and the 1872 model dial you report, I wonder if these 18-size dials might have been intended for the 1877-79 model (which has the same foot positions) rather than the 1883 model?
     
  2. Jon Hanson

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    Actually, do the members REALLY believe that more PLs exist on 79s rather than 83s?

    Hmmmm...........
     
  3. Steven Mercer

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    Recently on EBay

    Barrel bridge signed: Aug. Steman, Baltimore, MD.

    3421542, LS, Htg, 7 jewel.

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  4. Steven Mercer

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    Another recently on ebay:

    dial signed: The Workman, Am. Waltham Watch Co.

    12481543, PS, OF, 7 jewel, gold filled case.

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  5. Jon Hanson

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    Steve,

    I have a question regarding this list we are making for the Chapter 149 project--are we to include the "Rail Road Kings" the Canadian jobs and the CPR "beavers?"
     
  6. Steven Mercer

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    Jon

    I don’t think of Rail Road Kings, C.P.R.s, or C.R.T.S.s as private labels. They were made in abundance and span different grades. But I don’t consider them as grades of watches either.

    What do most collectors consider these?

    Steve
     
  7. Jon Hanson

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    Steve,

    I was just curious and wanted to now your opinion; and, I agree--we can leave them for the RR buffs!:biggrin:
     
  8. Steven Mercer

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    Recently on eBay.

    Dial only signed - J.G. Graves, Waltham Mass.

    8457085, gilt movement, 7 jewels, KW, KS, barrel bridge marked Am. Watch Co., Waltham Mass. in a sterling silver case.

    Steve
     
  9. Louis Christina

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    Steve,
    Here are couple, you may have them already.

    Just a dial-Geo.Strathearn,Midland,OF,SS,RN w/24 hour numerals within the RN's

    W.M.McNeal,Atlanta,GA.,OF,pressed sec.s, upright arabic, it's on a nickel 7 jewel movement,American Waltham Watch Co. #10617048, uncertain as to originality, but no reason suspect that it is not.

    Louis
     
  10. Jon Hanson

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    What a great PL watch esp. for an Atlanta resident!!! :eek:
     
  11. Louis Christina

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    Did I not obtain the Atl. PL from you? If so,thank you.
    Louis
     
  12. Jon Hanson

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    Beats me, I'm having trouble remembering what I did yesterday.:biggrin:

    With all these thousands and thousands of watches it has become a total m a z e!!!!! :eek:
     
  13. Steven Mercer

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    Louis

    Didn't have either one on the list. Thanks for posting them.

    Steve
     
  14. Steven Mercer

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    Recently on eBay.

    Dial only signed - Holcombe Special / Waltham (in arch over seconds bit)


    gilt movement, PS, SW, barrel bridge marked American Waltham Watch Co. in a silveroid, screw back and bezel case.

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  15. Jon Hanson

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    Steve,

    Do you think it would be worthwhile to keep serial no. lists on these to detect and documment futureswitching?
     
  16. Steven Mercer

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    Jon

    I have been recording the serial number of the movement when it is available. If it is only a dial, I also anotate that.

    If the movement shows up later with a different dial, we will know. :biggrin:

    Steve
    (Who likes to keep the Private Label 83's the way they are!)
    :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
     
  17. Steven Mercer

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    Another recently on ebay:

    dial signed: A.D. McLEOD, BURY, QUE.

    16,201,286, PS, OF, 15 jewel, gilt, in a gold filled case.

    Steve
     
  18. Steven Mercer

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    Recently on ebay:

    dial signed: B.L. Reagh, Watchmaker & Jeweler, Middleton, N.S.

    14,131,617, PS, OF, 17 jewel, PS Bartlett, gilt, in a silverode case.

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  19. Steven Mercer

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    Recently on ebay:

    dial signed: R. Herz & Bro., Reno Nev.

    13,667,536, PS, OF, 7 jewel, nickel damaskeened, in a silveroid case.

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  20. Steven Mercer

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    Recently on ebay:

    dial signed: B.F. KESSLER, MT. CARMEL, PA

    8,662,902, PS, OF, 7 jewel, nickel damaskeened, in a silveroid case.

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  21. Jon Hanson

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    "G. A. Russell/Fitzgerald, Ga." 9728301 7J gilt OF
     
  22. Steven Mercer

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    Jon

    Is that signature on the dial or barrel bridge?

    Steve
     
  23. Jon Hanson

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    BB
     
  24. Jon Hanson

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    another ex Tapp "H.C.Abbott and Bro./Birmingham/Ala." # 3887382 signed "Non-Magnetic" on BB. OF, nickel.
     
  25. Jon Hanson

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    My records list another non mag 83 PL or JC: "J.H.Washburn/Natick, Mass" on BB #3981602, 15J, OF, gilt.
     
  26. Jon Hanson

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    "Lincoln" #2631871, 11J, OF, gilt
     
  27. Jon Hanson

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    "Theo. Courtright/Yonkers, N.Y." # 5054398, nickel, HC
     
  28. Steven Mercer

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    Recently on ebay:

    dial only signed: J.J. Cluin, Lowell, Mass.

    5,126,966, LS, Htg, 15 jewel, gilt, P.S. Bartlett on BB, no case.

    Steve
     
  29. Jon Hanson

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    "Union Watch" #4201950 15J, gilt, HC; matching dial & mov't
     
  30. Steven Mercer

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    Recently on ebay:

    barrel bridge only signed: Bay State

    3,066,710, PS, OF, 15 jewel, nickel, gold B.W.C.Co. case, Warranted 14K U.S. Assay.

    Steve
     
  31. Fred Hansen

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    Recently on eBay ...

    "F.F. Heitz, 791 Sixth Ave. New York"

    Movement only

    Serial #2969053

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  32. Steven Mercer

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    Recently on ebay:

    dial only signed: J.A. Floyd, Mattawa

    22,092,554, PS, OF, 17 jewel, gilt, P.S. Bartlett on BB, gold filled case.

    Steve
     
  33. Jon Hanson

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    Whew, and most thought Hampden and Illinois had the corner on PLs!:biggrin:
     
  34. Steven Mercer

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    Jon

    I have 133 so far recorded. There have been a few duplicates listed but that's to be expected.

    Let's keep them coming!

    Steve
     
  35. Steven Mercer

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    Recently on ebay:

    barrel bridge only signed: Stephen D. Engle, Hazleton, P.A.

    5,385,737, SW, PS, nickel, 15 jewel, gold filled, triple hinge, open face case.

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  36. Steven Mercer

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    Recently on ebay:

    dial only signed: Holcombe Special, Waltham

    16,379,238, PS, OF, 7 jewel, nickel damaskeened, silveroid, screw back and bezel case.

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  37. Steven Mercer

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    Another ebay sale:

    dial only signed: F.C. FREEMAN, NEWBORO

    4,534,008, PS, OF, 11 jewel, gilt, A.W.C.Co. coin, screw back and bezel case.

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  38. Steven Mercer

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    Recently on ebay:

    barrel bridge only signed: Harvard

    3,309,222, LS, SW, nickel, 11 jewel, 14K solid gold, triple hinge, hunter case.

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  39. time4now

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    1883 model Waltham freaks.................

    My Great Granddads (and the reason for starting this hobbie) 15826620,15 jewels,OF(but L/set),Ill. nick. silv. screwback case....Priceless to me :)

    And....
    17303550,15 jewel,OF,P/set,silveroide P.W.W. screw back case.
     
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    1883 model Waltham freaks.................


     
  41. Steven Mercer

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    Another ebay sale:

    dial and barrel bridge signed: Wm. Coates & Son, Brockville, Ont.

    6,203,828, PS, OF, 7 jewel, gilt, in a gold filled, screw back and bezel case.

    Steve
     
  42. Jeff Hess

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    royal e robbins

    I have owned several of these and this one just showed up...my guys are getting it ready to trade...

    I like these things..dial is awco
     
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    1883 model Waltham freaks.................

    My only '83 - so far, anyway:

    Grade #25, movement signed: “Special Rail Road King”, factory upgraded to 17j, Hunter GF Keystone case, DS RN dial signed: “American Waltham Watch Co - For R.R. Service”, SW, LS, sn 3854197, circa 1888/89.
     
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    "A. Carrier Plessisville, P.Q" dial only (Province Quebec)

    12666747

    jeff hess

    1883 model waltham
     
  45. Steven Mercer

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    Another ebay sale:

    dial and barrel bridge signed: J.W. Albee & Bro., Roscoe, N.Y.

    14,957,686, PS, OF, 17 jewel, nickel damaskeened, in a silveroid, screw back and bezel case.

    Steve
     
  46. Steven Mercer

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    Another ebay sale:

    dial only signed: R. Baxter & Co.

    3,639,680, PS, OF, 15 jewel, nickel, frosted, in an oresilver, screw back and bezel case.

    Steve
     
  47. Jon Hanson

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    "Hudson" 15J LS adjusted HC frosted nickel #3248303

    no case
     
  48. Steven Mercer

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    I bought this one at the Denver Regional;

    dial and barrel bridge signed: A.C. Stanners, Toronto.

    7,582,610, PS, OF, 17 Jewels, gilt, in a gold filled A.W.C.Co. Premier, screw back and bezel case.

    Steve
     
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    Recently on EBay:

    dial only signed: The Guest Watch Co., St Louis

    4,490,552, LS, Htg, 15 jewel, gilt, in a silveroid, screw back and bezel case.

    Steve
     
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    No 13,470,444 gilt OF 7j mvt only,
    marked "D.&F. in Eng." on barrel bridge (unnumbered).
    Any idea what this is?? doesn't look like a PL
     

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