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  1. Jon Hanson

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    83 model, gilt #11682474, 15J, OF, dial signed "Healey & Co./Coach Builders (above center post)/New York" (below); cased in its original bowless silveroid #4810 patented C* case. Crisp throughout. Obviously used on some type of vehicle and not meant to be worn.

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  2. Steven Mercer

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    Another one. This is the second one like this.

    Dial only signed - J.G. Graves, Waltham Mass.

    8457580, gilt movement, 7 jewels, KW, KS, barrel bridge marked Am. Watch Co, Waltham Mass.

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    http://members.aol.com/jonontime/83coach.jpg

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    Beauty. That deserves https://mb.nawcc.org/ https://mb.nawcc.org/

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    Wow!
    Impressive watch Jon. I don't recall ever seeing a dial signed in that manner :)
     
  6. Bob Roth

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    Good afternoon Jon,

    I would love to see more oictures of your dealer named 1883 model Waltham dials and movements. These are quite interesting and not as common as Hamilton, Aurora and Illinois examples.

    Look forward. Happy Holidays.

    Bob

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  7. Jon Hanson

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    Hi Bob,

    Here is one for you New Yorkas--I should be putting up a Boston dealer dial:

    http://members.aol.com/jonontime/ny83.jpg


    go red sox

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  8. Jon Hanson

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    readers and watch lovers, check them out at old ref::http://nawcc-mb.infopop.cc/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=2386079361&f=4446088461&m=5646042644[/url]

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    Dial only signed - Gorric & Co. / Newburgh, NY

    13619224, gilt, 7 jewels, pendent set, in silveroid screw back and bezel. Barrel bridge marked American Waltham Watch Co.

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    movement only marked 3913815 "Jean Tack" City Timekeeper 215 market street, newark new jersey"

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    Thanks Jeff.

    Dial only signed - Wright Kay & Co. Detroit

    3120834, frosted movement, 15 jewels, pendent set, nickel silver, screw back and bezel case.

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    Dial only signed - Flower City Watch Co.

    9570374, nickel damaskeened, 15 jewels, pendent set, gold filled screw back and bezel case.

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    Dial only signed - S.F. Ellis, D.D.S.

    It also has a Shiner Symbol and is on a fancy dial.

    17605231, nickel damaskeened, 7 jewels, lever set, gold filled htg case.

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    Spotted on ebay:

    C. HAAS & SON, STOCKTON, CAL.

    4101794 OF frosty with regular dial patented AWCO coin swingout case.

    Regards,
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    "G A Russell,/Fitzgerald, Ga."

    9748301 OF nickel

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    Mike & Jon

    Got them recorded.

    Jon is the name on the dial or BB?

    Another that was recently on ebay:

    Dial only signed - C.F. Clare, The Jeweller, Campbellton, New Brunswick

    6935093, gilt, 17 jewel, PS Bartlett, pendent set, coin silver case.

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    "Theo. Courtright/Yonkers, N.Y." 5054398 11J hunter nickel damask

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    "Lincoln" 2631871 open gilt 11J

    SM: Bill also has one of these.

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    "L L Jacobs/Punta Arenas" (above); (Waltham, Mass below)

    24 hour abrabic

    and

    "Diener & Rothacker/Mexico" (as above)

    on dials only

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    Jon

    Got them recorded. You must have been to the catacombs again. ;)

    I will have to ask Bill about the "Lincoln" next time I see him. And talking about Bill, here is one he gave to me.

    Barrel bridge - Made for H. M. Jacobson. / Albany, N.Y. / By American Watch Co. / Waltham Mass.

    3002198, nickel damaskeened, 15 jewels.

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    yes

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    1883 dials only: "America/Philadelphia/USA"

    "The Quest Watch Co/St Louis"

    "A. Marquis & Bro./Philadelphia"

    All Roman, the latter DS

    Jon

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    "Made expressly for/H. S. Tanner/Providence, R. I."

    4030465 adjusted, signed 17J, OF, nickel, damask

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    Dial only signed - Fattorini & Sons Ltd / Westgate / Bradford

    Dreadnought (in arc over seconds bit)

    15885636, gilt, 7 jewel, Am. Watch Co., Waltham Mass., key wind.

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    Thanks to Marty Carah for the following contribution:

    Both, Dial and Barrel Bridge marked - H.F. Wichman / Honolulu

    4590686, nickel damaskeened, 15j, ls.

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    Just spotted on fleabay:

    E.B.Horn Co., Boston

    Marked on movement and ss dial, SN 6380948, hunter recased as OF, low grade 7j gilt.

    Regards,
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    Two more recently seen on eBay.

    Dials only signed - J.G. Graves, Waltham Mass.

    4552095, gilt movement, 7 jewels, KW, KS, barrel bridge marked Waltham Mass.

    9362694, gilt movement, 7 jewels, KW, KS, barrel bridge marked Am. Watch Co, Waltham Mass.

    Both in sterling silver cases.

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    Steve:

    I suspect that the J.G. Graves watches were exports to the England.

    Kent

    That guy down in Georgia :)
     
  29. Steven Mercer

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    Kent

    I think you are right that these were all for the English market.

    What I find intriguing about this though, is the dial being marked "Waltham Mass." You think that being for export to England that the dial would be marked somehow with something from England or have something to do with England.

    Also, maybe somebody could enlighten me on who was "J.G. Graves" ?

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    Steve:

    This has been done before. Check out old ref::Information Please.... Oh.

    Kent

    That guy down in Georgia :)
     
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    Fancy dial signed - George E. Cohrs, Jeweler, Pomeroy Wash.

    12,421,868, nickel damaskeened, 17 jewels, pendent set, gold filled, swing out case.

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    Recently on ebay:

    dial only signed: Howell Bros.

    14675971, OF, gilt, 7 jewel, in a gold filled, screw back and bezel case.

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    Nice example--thanks for the scan!

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    Timebuilder

    Got it recorded. Thanks.

    That is one gorgeous watch. I love the examples that have both the dial and barrel bridges that match the private labels.

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  35. uhries

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    Hi Steve,
    Today I found on german ebay the following 83 model:
    Watch & Chronometer Manufactures Fattorini and Sons, Bradford
    Movementnumber 9365834

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    Leo

    Thanks. Got it recorded.

    Recently on ebay:

    barrel bridge only signed: Crawford & Frontman / Stone Cliff, W.VA.

    2,598,499, OF, gilt, 11 jewel, in a gold filled, screw back and bezel case.

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    Recently on ebay:

    Dial only signed: Warne Bros., Petersboro.

    13,518,913, OF, nickel damaskeened, 17 jewel, in a base metal, Keystone, screw back and bezel case.

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  38. uhries

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    Hi Steve,
    Here is another 83 model I found on german ebay:
    Fattorini and Sons, Bradford, Watch & Chronometer Manufactures
    Movementnumber 8911799

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    Thanks, got it recorded.

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    Recently on ebay:

    BB only signed: Chas E. Rhodes, Bay City Mich.

    3,001,329, OF, nickel damaskeened, 15 jewel, in a ore silver, Fahys, screw back and bezel case.

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    Recently on ebay:

    dial only signed: A. Mittau.

    13,381,742, OF, nickel damaskeened, 17 jewel, in a gold filled, double hinged, case.

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  43. Jon Hanson

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    Steve,

    On your master list are you doing these both in number sequence and alphabetically?

    Let me know when updated so I can post it on the Chapter 149 headline!

    Thanks.

    Jon

    PS GREAT job you are doing on the 1883s!

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  44. ljrusso

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    Steve & Jon
    this whole great project that you have undertaken only came to my attention after new posts shot it back to the top. Well I clicked it and low and behold: The "A. Mittau" is now my watch and Steve listed it for me...... I will keep my eyes open too.
    Regards
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  45. Jon Hanson

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    Hi Louis,

    What is going on over there in Germany?

    Do you locate very many American pocket watches in your area?

    Merry Christmas to you and your family.

    Jon

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  46. ljrusso

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    Jon,
    you tend to find them but mostley low grade Walthams and those way overpriced. I will be attending a watch show in March in Cologne and that will be the first time I will get a first hand idea of "real" market prices. There is good demand for American brands on ebay in Germany. Sometimes you just kind of wonder about the prices on Ebay though. What really is sought after there are Hamiltons and Elgins. Genreally though the market, in terms of American watches, seems to be uneducated. I spend most of my time either visiting antique shows (there the watches are usually way overpriced) or flea-markets (there the watches are mostly junk). I am still new at this and reading and searching as much as posible. I am still dreaming about stumbling on the "hidden" treasure although the Illinois I found here was def. a nice find. If you like you can send me a mail and we can discuss it a bit further.

    I also wish you and your family all the best for the holiday season. I

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    I have been keeping the list as they were posted, so they are not in any sort of order. I have been using an excel spreadsheet for the list, so I can sort the data anyway we like. Will contact you after Christmas and discuss this list. Have 75 entries so far.

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    Four more recently seen on eBay.

    All dials signed - J.G. Graves, Waltham Mass.

    8,457,446, gilt movement, 7 jewels, KW, KS, barrel bridge marked Am. Watch Co, Waltham Mass., in a gold filled, screw back and bezel case.

    8,908,284, gilt movement, 7 jewels, KW, KS, barrel bridge marked Am. Watch Co, Waltham Mass., in a silverine, triple hinged, case.

    10,149,772, gilt movement, 7 jewels, KW, KS, barrel bridge marked Am. Watch Co, Waltham Mass., in a silveroid, triple hinged, case.

    10,200,608, gilt movement, 7 jewels, KW, KS, barrel bridge marked Am. Watch Co, Waltham Mass., in a sterling silver, hallmarked, triple hinged, case.

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    Recently on ebay:

    dial only signed: Cameron & Hazelton, Killaloe Station, Ont.

    8463984, OF, gilt, 17 jewel, in a gold filled, screw back and bezel case.

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    Recently on ebay:

    dial signed: Fattorini & Sons, Bradford

    barrel bridge signed: REG'D The Farringdon H., Waltham Mass.

    4913650, KW, gilt, 7 jewel, silver case, hallmarked for Birmingham 1891.

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