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  1. Jon Hanson

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    another project!

    Shall we begin a listing of dealer names for these and post results on our Chapter 149 message board for the Waltham and 1883 research committee? Steve Mercer--would you like to be the recording secretary?

    Here are a few:

    C R Smith & Son, Philadelphia

    Charles and Hart (no city)

    Hanson, Seattle

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  2. Steven Mercer

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    Jon

    We have a 1883 Research Committee? :confused:

    Okay, I am now official the recording secretary. NO jokes please. :biggrin: :biggrin:

    If we are going to do this could we have the dealer name, movement serial number, gilt or nickel.

    Thanks.

    Steve
     
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    Movement only marked - Made Expressly for H.S. Tanner, Providence R.I., 4,961,619, nickel

    Steve

    Edited to add "movement only marked"

    [This message was edited by Steven Mercer on July 24, 2003 at 21:27.]
     
  4. Wes

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    If we give the serial numbers then we can't switch it when we find a cool two tone movement for our PL dials!! :biggrin:

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  5. Steven Mercer

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    Dude

    Thanks for the idea. ;)

    When listing please state if movement marked, dial marked or both movement and dial marked.

    Steve
     
  6. Jon Hanson

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    1883 #3206690 gilt 15J OF PS Charles S. Hart on BB, Waltham dial. (as found, orig case, from a virgin source--a non collector estate.)

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  7. Wes

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    I have a PL from San Jose, CA. I can't remember if it is an 83 or 77 or 79 at the moment. If it is an 83 I will post the info tomorrow. (Watch is in the vault.)

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    Dial only marked "J D Hawkins 805 8th Ave NY", nickel movement, serial # 6164343.
     
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    All,

    Here's a Canadian private label 1883. Movement is 16 jewels, all steel parts gilt, gold filled engraving, silveroid case, 12-hour dial marked for Jos. Pequegnat, Berlin (Kitchener), Ontario, circa 1894. The Pequegnat family moved from Switzerland in 1874 after being in the jewellery business over there. Arthur set up a bicycle factory which prospered, until the advent of the automobile. Arthur saw the writing on the wall, and gradually shifted his emphasis from bikes to clocks. Joseph set up a jewellery store in Guelph, Ontario, in 1892.



    Canadian 1883

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  10. Jon Hanson

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    for the scan and interesting and well docummented story, but you need to reduce your "whatever" on your scans--a 9 minute download! :eek:

    Jon :biggrin:

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    Jon,

    I have tried this posting pictures business with lower resolution, and have not met with success. I have a cable hook up, and I forget that not everyone does. If I post a picture of the dial, I'll try it at a lower resolution.

    Doug S.
     
  12. Jon Hanson

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    try 72!

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  13. Wes

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    Doug,
    It looks like it is already 72 pixels. It just needs to be reduced to about a 500 or 600 pixel size.
    I reduced it and emailed it to you.

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    4160611 OF adj. Incredible gilt damask blazer (I forgot to incluse it on the 149 poster), signed "H.R Woodward" on the BB; orig 4 oz Dueber sterling case; DS glass enamel dial, signed American/Waltham/W Co in script!

    Jon

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    Jon

    Got it. Thanks.

    Doug

    Thanks for the history of the watch and family. That was right in my backyard when I was growing up. Born and raised in Hamilton, Ontario.

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    Dial and movement marked "Albert S Samuels Co, San Fransico". Nickel damaskeening, serial # 16,117,491. Philadelhia, 20 yr, gold filled screw back and bezel case.

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    Dial marked "Frank D Clement". Nickel, serial number 8,157,682. Silveroid triple hinge case.

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    Dial and mov't marked "Geo W Ryder, San Jose, Ca"
    5714655
    15J adj
    PS
    SW
    nickel damaskeening
    AWCo 4 oz coin swingout
    :cool:

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  19. Jon Hanson

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    34501913 NICKEL damaskeened, 15J, HC, signed "G. Hansen/Astoria, Or."

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    Dial only marked:

    H. L. Amstutz & Sons, Napa, Cal.
     
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    Dial only marked

    Frisch Bros
    Buffalo, NY

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    PoorDude, Jon, Tom G, and Tom H

    Thanks. Got them recorded.

    Tom G and Tom H - would you like to share the movement information they are on?

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    your welconme!

    Jon
    If on the rare chance you get bored with the Astoria, let me know! :biggrin:

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  24. Jon Hanson

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    "B.H. Stief Jewelry Co. (in a curved arc)/RR(monogram, script)/SPECIAL (red letters)/Nashville, Tenn." with curliques reminiscent of a Moorhouse! :eek: :) :rolleyes: ;) :cool: :biggrin:

    Will I ever locate a matching movement? On second thought I'll leave it alone--God forbid, I might be called a "switcher!" :rolleyes:

    LOL.

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    Barrel Bridge - "Hudson, F.W. Sim & Co. Troy NY
    Dial - F.W. Sim & Co

    Nickel damaskeening, serial number 4300037, nickel open face case.

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    Steven M. For the Frisch Bros--Dial only. No movement to match

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  27. mikeh

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    GREAT Thread!

    1- Dial Roman OF marked Geo. C. Shreeve & Co, San Francisco on AT&Co frostie sn 4259765

    2- J. Best, Paterson, N.J.,frostie improperly marked 17 Jewels, no matching dial sn 3958863

    3- (My favorite - picture posted recently on 149 MB) J. H. Washburn, Natick, Mass., AT&Co grade frosted nickel marked non-mag, matching arabic radial dial. sn 3993367

    Regards,
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    BTW Jon - What are the chances of us getting a peek at that gilt damaskeened blazer you listed on page 1? I can't be the only one that wants to see it!
     
  28. Jon Hanson

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    signed "made expressly for/Geo. W. Welsh's Son/233 Greenwich St., N.Y."

    3001917, nickel, LS, hunting, adjusted, DS Roman dial, handpainted with a coat of armour and lettering motif which is fading from age

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  29. Jon Hanson

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    Another, for the 149 research project!

    4030465 nickel damask, OF, PS, GT, 17J, signed "Made Expressly For/H.S.Tanner/Providence, R.I./by the/ Waltham Watch Co." on the BB with matching dial which is DS and Arabic.

    Jon

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    Got 'em. Thanks.

    Keep them coming.

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    common gilt American Waltham Watch Company and like signed dial additionally signed "J. R. Brewster (in an arc)/of 25th St. (on left side of ctr hole) New York (on right side)."

    I have had several of these and they all are on similar 15J OF PS movements.

    Jon

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    3538016 nickel and frosted, stripped damask, OF 11J PS, signed "HARVARD" (above)/A.W.W.Co./Waltham, Mass. (below).

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    http://members.aol.com/jonontime/woodward.jpg

    Jon

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    Outstanding Jon!

    Looks like an AT grade too (I think)!

    After the model 88, 72 and 92 posters are complete, maybe that one can be the start of the Model 83 Sequel!

    :biggrin:

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    18s OF with a fancy, decorator dial: movement and dial signed "Vermont/American Waltham Watch Co.(small lettering)," serial number 5623453, gilt OF, 15J, PS. (Note: signature is VERY FANCY and has curliques on four sides).

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    Thanks guys. Got them and recorded.

    Lets keep them coming.

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    5424641, 15 jewel, nickel damaskeening, A. Salzman Roseburg, Oregon, on barrel bridge and dial.

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    C R Smith and Son/Philadelphia, Pa.

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    Jon

    Thanks. Name is recorded.

    Is this on a dial?, barrel bridge?, or both?

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    BB

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    Dial only signed - Beaudoin et Turcotte / Broughton Station P.Q.

    Movement is a gilt, 17 jewel, PS Bartlett

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    Dial only signed - J.G. Graves, Waltham Mass.

    8452212, gilt movement, 7 jewels, KW, KS, barrel bridge marked Am. Watch Co, Waltham Mass.

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    Dial - G.C. Smith 3036 Archer Ave

    Barrel Bridge - Smith's Improved.

    4015188, gilt movement, 15 jewels, lever set, Htg case.

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    Dial only signed - D.H. Blinn & Co. Waterbury Conn.

    3334387, frosted movement, 15 jewels, lever set, in htg case. Barrel bridge marked American Waltham Watch Co.

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    A. Marquis and Bro./Philadelphia

    DS Roman

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    3 of them here:

    DS RrT labelled: "J. J. Palmersheim/New Orleans, Lou."

    SS Arabic labelled: "A. F. Odell/ Quincy, Illinois"

    DS Radial ArT marked "Beaudecker, Aaurdovendt & Son/ Shiloh Hill Settlement/U. S. of America"

    Palmersheim's is on a personalised gilt damaskeened movement marked the same as the dial,
    Beaudecker's is a nickel movement, marked "B. A. & S./ Pat. Pinion/ 17 Jewels/ Adjusted,
    Odel's is a straight 15 Jewel gilted movement.

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    Chaz. and Jon

    Got those recorded. Thanks.

    Barrel Bridge - F. Broemer, 318 1/2 Grand St. New York

    3264131, 11 jewel, lever set, in htg case, Wm Ellery grade.

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  48. Jon Hanson

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    Another from the catacombs:

    J R Brewster & Co. (in an arc)/OF 25th. St. (l.) New York (r)

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    Thanks. How about a tour of the catacombs sometime?

    Barrel bridge - H.R. Woodward

    4,711,795 15 jewel, pendent set, in a swing out case, grade No 15.

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    a person could get "lost" down there!

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