1161 weight free falls

[wwk]

Hi all, I'm a newbie to this hobby. Almost a year now and have accumulated about 30 clocks so far and given most away to new homes. I have a question about a Hermle 1161-850B. When I wind the strike cable drum, it un-winds (free falls).
The drum click is working. I suspect a problem with the first gear (after the intermediate gear). But that is only a guess.
All suggestions before I try to disassemble are welcome.

 

[Willie X]

You should be able to see the problem easily.

Using a much lighter weight can help prevent more damage during trouble shooting process.

The winding arbor is arbor #1 the next one up is arbor #2 etc.

Willie X

 

[wwk]

You should be able to see the problem easily.

Using a much lighter weight can help prevent more damage during trouble shooting process.

The winding arbor is arbor #1 the next one up is arbor #2 etc.

Willie X

Thanks. Used much lighter weight. I think the issue is the #2 arbor. The large wheel doesn't rotate with the arbor.

 

[TEACLOCKS]

I have had this happen ONE time.
The detent in "Red" in the winding arbor sheared off, Letting the drum to unwind, "weight to fall"
And it could be wound up but it would fall again.
It was very hard to get the winding Arbor pin out.
Good luck

 

[wwk]

I have had this happen ONE time.
The detent in "Red" in the winding arbor sheared off, Letting the drum to unwind, "weight to fall"
And it could be wound up but it would fall again.
It was very hard to get the winding Arbor pin out.
Good luck

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Thank you. This will be my next step.

 

[wwk]

Thank you. This will be my next step.

Pulled drum and checked winding arbor detent. All working well.

 

[Dick Feldman]

If #2 wheel is spinning on its arbor, that could be the cause of your problem.
It should be easy to check that, either assembled or disassembled.
Check all wheels for missing/bent teeth and bent arbors as that can/will disconnect a wheel train.
If you need a new Hermle wheel or wheels, they can be purchased from Black Forest Imports or from Butterworth or other suppliers. There should also be plenty of used ones available. I may have some in my archives if you are in need.
Best of luck,
Dick

 

[Rod2]

think you very much, Tomorrow I will have time to get to work that . Will get Back to you.

 

[Rod2]

Tomorrow Ill check the Arbo Thanks I would of though of that.

 

[Rod2]

is there anyway I can use a punch and the detent on the drum Sheaf so it will not slipe.

 

[Rod2]

You should be able to see the problem easily.

Using a much lighter weight can help prevent more damage during trouble shooting process.

The winding arbor is arbor #1 the next one up is arbor #2 etc.

Willie X

Thanks I did not know that am new at this Just Retired From the Army, This a Hobby for me, Thanks

 

[Rod2]

How do I get in touch with Mark Butterworth to order parts for my 1982-853 HS Hermle movment.

 

[TEACLOCKS]

https://butterworthclocks.com/?password-protected=login&redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.butterworthclocks.com%2F

Password
Butterworth
"B" capital
Good Luck

 

[Rod2]

If #2 wheel is spinning on its arbor, that could be the cause of your problem.
It should be easy to check that, either assembled or disassembled.
Check all wheels for missing/bent teeth and bent arbors as that can/will disconnect a wheel train.
If you need a new Hermle wheel or wheels, they can be purchased from Black Forest Imports or from Butterworth or other suppliers. There should also be plenty of used ones available. I may have some in my archives if you are in need.
Best of luck,
Dick

Shft on #2 Wigels and gear cant Work sight thai the problem.

 

[Rod2]

Thanks. Used much lighter weight. I think the issue is the #2 arbor. The large wheel doesn't rotate with the arbor.

do you have a # 2 abor