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  1. grtnev

    collecting worn watches

    My opinion is that: 1) Depends on what the “vintage” item is, and 2) Personal preference Restoring vintage pocket watches, in most cases, will increase their value. There obviously will be exceptions. If your goal is to collect well used pocket watches and display them in their “work...
  2. grtnev

    Ball (Hamilton) Watch Company; 17j, Model 999D (Brotherhood of Locomotive Firemen, i.e. B of LF), Serial Number 28598

    Anyone else have any 18s Ball Brotherhood watches to share? Richard
  3. grtnev

    Special Bunns

    Great watch John! As I understand it, the 8 damaskeen patterns found on 18s Bunn Specials are: 1. First Pattern Circular pattern, Gold-inlaid, black lettering 2. Second Pattern Wavy Ribbon Gold-Inlaid 3. Third Pattern Circular pattern, Gold-inlaid, black lettering 4. Fourth Pattern Bright...
  4. grtnev

    Waltham's curious model-year designations

    It may be hard to imagine, but it appears to be reality. Waltham introduced the 18s "Vanguard" in April 1894 (refer to the first ad) and referred to it as such until November 1897 (2nd ad) when they stated: " '92 or Vanguard Model" and "are constructed on the model of the Vanguard and are...
  5. grtnev

    Waltham Colonel Pocket Watch

    Thanks for posting the link - should have been part of the original posting. The final selling price of $71 is is consistent with the average selling price PWDB data for a grade 225 in average working condition. As stated earlier Waltham mass produced grade 225 (547,848 movements from...
  6. grtnev

    Early Ball Hands

    I ran across these patents for 18s Ball spade and pierced hands. Interesting thing is the spade hand was patented first on August 15, 1893; while the patent for the pierced hands wasn’t issued until July 2, 1895. From this, would it be correct to state that: From mid August 1893 through June...
  7. grtnev

    Montgomery Dial value to watch

    20 years ago or so when I started seriously collecting American RR standard watches, an original Montgomery dial (as i recall) could add significantly to the value of a nice, high grade, American RR standard watch. Today (as I perceive it) they add little in the way of additional value. A...
  8. grtnev

    Ball (Hamilton) Watch Company; 17j, Model 999D (Brotherhood of Locomotive Firemen, i.e. B of LF), Serial Number 28598

    999D Total Production Update: In the first post of this thread, I stated: ".... total production 290 movements in 6 runs from 1895 to 1898. Refer to the last attachment and Hamilton Ball Serial Numbers & Grade Descriptions (Original research by Art Zimmerla and Walter Kroenker) for 999D...
  9. grtnev

    Ball (Hamilton) Watch Company; 17j, Model 999D (Brotherhood of Locomotive Firemen, i.e. B of LF), Serial Number 28598

    Early 18s Ball – Hamilton (Ball & Co. marked) movements have two barrel bridge styles; i.e. those having a straight left edge and those having a curved or round left edge. Initially, the left edge of the barrel bridge is straight and it appears that somewhere around serial number 286xx the...
  10. grtnev

    Ball (Hamilton) Watch Company; 17j, Model 999D (Brotherhood of Locomotive Firemen, i.e. B of LF), Serial Number 28598

    Ball (Hamilton) Watch Company; 17j, Model 999D (Brotherhood of Locomotive Firemen, i.e. B of LF), Serial Number 28598, total production 290 movements in 6 runs from 1895 to 1898. Refer to the last attachment and Hamilton Ball Serial Numbers & Grade Descriptions (Original research by Art...
  11. grtnev

    Sangamo Special Help Please

    Clive, You might find the following interesting; it is an excerpt from the online article: "The Sangamo Special - Beginning to END"; by: Chamelin, Michael; 11/12/2006 - which can be found here: The Sangamo Special - Beginning to END. "The second anomoly, in variation, I would like to...
  12. grtnev

    16s/18s Standard Watches (RR) including the less obvious ones and gray area.

    A cousin to your watch Rob: Waltham Model 1892, AT&Co Premier grade, Adj T, I, 5P, s/n 12019796, ca 1902, hunting case, stem wind, lever set. From my notes: Model 1892, 17j Appleton Tracy & Co. grade movements were initially accepted into railroad time service, even though the movement was...
  13. grtnev

    Picked up some receipts from the 1880s 1890s

    [ This topic has always been interesting to me; i.e. why do we date watches based on when they were sold as opposed to when they were manufactured/finished? A contemporary example, a new car is designated by its model year/year of manufacture. For example, if a new 2022 model is not sold...
  14. grtnev

    Illinois 23j, 16s, 60Hr, TYPE II, FACTORY CASED, Bunn Special ca: 1926, s/n 4718542 in a factory Bunn Special, Wadsworth “First Model”, 14K, Green Gol

    Tom, As Jim has indicated, you have a TYPE I, 23j, 60hr, Bunn Special. Information from the Illinois Database is shown below. Your watch is from the 2nd run which consisted of 500 movements. All runs totaled a maximum possible of 850 movements. Runs 1 & 3 are highlighted in red which...
  15. grtnev

    Illinois 23j, 16s, 60Hr, TYPE II, FACTORY CASED, Bunn Special ca: 1926, s/n 4718542 in a factory Bunn Special, Wadsworth “First Model”, 14K, Green Gol

    Thank you Mike for this very thorough and detailed explanation/analysis; and thank you Jim for forwarding my questions over to Mike. If you could please forward my thanks over to Mike I would appreciate it. It does help significantly. Richard Thomas Minden, NV
  16. grtnev

    Illinois 23j, 16s, 60Hr, TYPE II, FACTORY CASED, Bunn Special ca: 1926, s/n 4718542 in a factory Bunn Special, Wadsworth “First Model”, 14K, Green Gol

    Anyone know how to get in contact with Mike Chamelin? I’d very much like to get his input re: this watch. Thanks Richy

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