Ball Trademarks

[BILL KAPP]

I have Trademarks of the Jewelry and Kindred Trades 3rd ed, 1915. The introduction mentions the first edition in 1896 and a supplement in 1898. A second edition was published in 1904 and a supplement to that edition in 1909.

Ball trademarks can be found on p 153 of the 3rd edition.

It would be interesting to compare the different trade marks registered by Ball through this sequence.

Does anyone have these earlier editions or supplements?

I am not sure I did it right but I tried the US Patent and trademark site and couldn't find any relevant info.

Interestingly enough, I did note that in 2004 a company called Teddy Bear Group in the Virgin Islands registered the trade mark "Webb C Ball" !!

Anyone know what that is all about?

[Robert Sweet]

Bill,
Below is a Ball trademark dated 1906.

Robert

[terry hall]

Thanks Robert.. you are the master at these ~~~

[Jeff Hess]

Pretty cool.

[Kent]

Guys:

Check out the February 2000 Bulletin, page 101. It has a reproduction of the Ball trade marks and their registration notices from the October 10 1906 and December 19 1906 issues of the Jewelers' Circular - Weekly and Horological Review. Some of the trade marks were claimed (by Ball) to have been in use for ten years by that time.
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[terry hall]

Thanks Kent

that would be a nice 'web' resource

[Kent]

Originally Posted by terry

Thanks Kent

that would be a nice 'web' resource

Yes, well ...... the plan is that the Bulletin and perhaps NAWCC library resources will be available online to members. However, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it.

[BILL KAPP]

Thanks guys, What a board!

I noticed that the library has a copy of the ist edition with the 98 update and have it on order.

Kent thanks for that tip on Feb 2000.

I see Jeff's trademark 999 standard in 1915, but no indication of how long it had been in use. Its not part of that feb 2000 bulletin list. If I find it in the ist edition I will let you know. Maybe someone else has a reference to it in another Jewelers Circular Weekly.

We should be able to figure out if is even possible to be original to 603. I am inclined to think it should have a dial like 601's and speculate that 603 came back to Ball at a later date. If Ball was going to keep one, wouldn't he have kept 601? Who frames the third dollar?

Not trying to be fractous, just interested in accuracy. Its a beautiful rare early movement and we all would be proud to own it.

happy hunting

[Robert Sweet]

Here's another one from 1907.

Robert

[Jeff Hess]

I have hard copies of a ton of them. Cannot find them tonight. looked but....

The Ball family (esp. Sidney Ball, who is the oft overlooked unsung and unheralded son of Webb C) were over-the-top nuts about this type of thing and trademarked things to the "nth" degree.

On a related note, even as late as the early 1960's, they successfully beat back Omega after Omea started advertising a wrist watch called "Standard Railroad" watch.

The attorneys letters flew back and forth (yes I have copies) (with Ball at this time being run by Webbs grandson Webb C. BAll II) citingthe longsstanding "Standard" trademark and Omega backed down.

Since Omega advertised this watch in Railroad inspectors brochures, I feel sure that a few of them exist. I diligently watch Fleabay but have not found one.


Jeff Hess