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    Default Verge Fusee 1776 pocket watch

    Hello, this is my pocket watch; Hallmarks say that it was made in year 1776 in London.
    I'm not an expert and i would know wath do you think about it.
    Do you know who is H. dalrymple? Thanks for your answers.
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    Default Re: Verge Fusee 1776 pocket watch (RE: skuhravy)

    Hi and welcome to the Forum.

    A nice clean English verge pair-case. I'm afraid I can't find a Dalrymple in London, but that's just one reference, so I expect others may fill this in; if not, it may just be the retailer. The cases were made by James Richards at 1 Bridgewater Square, registered at this address in September 1774. Some repairs to the inner case where the pendant attaches. Not sure about the 'skipped' coil on the fusee? Everything looks completely right for 1776.

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    Graham

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    Default Re: Verge Fusee 1776 pocket watch (RE: gmorse)

    Hello gmorse, and many thanks for your welcome .
    I' m sorry for my english (I am writing from Italy). What do you mean for "skipped coil on the fusee"?
    This pocket watch is in good working condition.... I show other pictures, for understand better. I hope that someone can help me to know history of my pocket watch. I bought it one month ago and is important for me explain to my wife that i spent my money very well

    Thanks and regards!


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    Default Re: Verge Fusee 1776 pocket watch (RE: skuhravy)

    Hi,

    In the last picture in your first post, the chain is sitting in the lowest two grooves in the fusee, (the grooved conical piece), and then there's an empty groove before the final turn of the chain. The chain does seem to be attached and unbroken, so I assume that it has skipped a groove on the other side of the fusee that we can't see. This isn't a problem if the chain is unbroken, as it can be put back in the right place after it's removed for servicing.

    I should not run the watch in this condition, but have it serviced if you can find someone who understands these watches properly.

    The watch paper is a nice piece of history to keep with the watch, showing a repairer in Chesterfield from earlier times, but be careful as they are fragile. There may be others underneath this one.

    Regards,

    Graham

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    Default Re: Verge Fusee 1776 pocket watch (RE: gmorse)

    Now I understand, I will follow your advice. Thanks for your answers,
    best regards,

    Alessio

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    Default Re: Verge Fusee 1776 pocket watch (RE: gmorse)

    Quote Originally Posted by gmorse View Post
    The cases were made by James Richards at 1 Bridgewater Square, registered at this address in September 1774.
    I found in internet an interesting story regarding Mr James Richards at this link:

    http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/print...iv=t17690222-9

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    Default Re: Verge Fusee 1776 pocket watch (RE: skuhravy)

    Hi,

    That's fascinating, and not, I think, that unusual. There were clearly very good reasons why masters were restricted in the number of apprentices they could take on at any one time! I wonder what happened to the dishonest apprentice? Sentences were pretty harsh at that time.

    Regards,

    Graham

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    Default Re: Verge Fusee 1776 pocket watch (RE: gmorse)

    hello
    only a small problem due to the non-alignment of the chain on the barrel
    unwind and alignment again
    regards enrico

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    Default Re: Verge Fusee 1776 pocket watch (RE: eri231)

    Is the Hallmark definitely 1776?
    It looks more like 1816 to me

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    Default Re: Verge Fusee 1776 pocket watch (RE: eri231)

    Quote Originally Posted by eri231 View Post
    hello
    only a small problem due to the non-alignment of the chain on the barrel
    unwind and alignment again
    regards enrico
    Hello! thanks for your advice!
    Do you know a repairer near Torino for verge pocket-watch like this one? I would show him the little issue of chain-alignement.
    I'm writing from a location near Mondovž....
    Regards,
    Alessio

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    Default Re: Verge Fusee 1776 pocket watch (RE: Les harland)

    the two hallmarks are very similar
    no doubt about the date
    regards enrico
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    Default Re: Verge Fusee 1776 pocket watch (RE: Les harland)

    Quote Originally Posted by Les harland View Post
    Is the Hallmark definitely 1776?
    It looks more like 1816 to me
    Hello,
    i'm checking on this site http://www.925-1000.com/dlc_london.html and seems that the "a" letter to identify the year 1816 has a small pointer at the base, what do you think?

    thanks for your answer,

    Alessio

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    Default Re: Verge Fusee 1776 pocket watch (RE: eri231)

    hello
    i'm not so far (torino)
    sorry but I do not know watch repairers
    but you can look at a watch forum of turin
    regard enrico

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    Default Re: Verge Fusee 1776 pocket watch (RE: skuhravy)

    Quote Originally Posted by skuhravy View Post
    Hello,
    i'm checking on this site http://www.925-1000.com/dlc_london.html and seems that the "a" letter to identify the year 1816 has a small pointer at the base, what do you think?

    thanks for your answer,

    Alessio
    I don't see really any difference between the two marks in question except for the fields in which they are stamped. Personally I feel it more closely resembles the field of the 1816 mark, with knocked corners, than the 1776 mark, which is more rounded (larger corners look to be knocked off). The tail of the 'a' is obscured on the stamp itself, so I feel it could really be either of them based on that consideration. I have heard that there are intricacies that the charts on that website do not show, however. So I'm not sure that it's the best source.

    You're probably better off to use it as a guide, along with the pillar shapes, the engraving on the movement, the case maker's initials, and even the case paper information to some extent. They are all pieces of the story this watch has to tell.

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    Default Re: Verge Fusee 1776 pocket watch (RE: eri231)

    Quote Originally Posted by eri231 View Post
    hello
    i'm not so far (torino)
    sorry but I do not know watch repairers
    but you can look at a watch forum of turin
    regard enrico
    Doesn't matter,
    thanks for the picture with explanation to align the chain. but i'm not sure to try to register it...

    Alessio

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