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  1. #31

    Default Re: Ball-Waltham ORRS First Run Research (By: Paul Sullivan)

    Kent and Larry, where does B0056542 go in your database for these first run ORRS 17j Waltham made Ball & Co. watches?

    It seems to be a smaller number than the B060xxx numbers above, but I did not know how Waltham and Ball designated the B00 prefix.

  2. #32

    Smile Re: Ball-Waltham ORRS First Run Research (By: Clock Man)

    Clock Man:

    Two days ago I replied to your email asking this question. Perhaps you didn't receive my reply so its repeated here:

    According to the table on page 35 of American Railroad Watches, George E. Townsend, Col. G.E. Townsend, Alma, MI, 1977, Waltham-Ball movement serial number B0056862 corresponds to Waltham serial number 10,056,862, a movement 'nominally' built in 1901 (but who knows how long it sat around in Ball's inventory before it was adjusted, cased, regulated and shipped out to meet an order). Since the first one or two digits of the Waltham serial numbers were dropped, you can't use the remaining digits to establish chronological sequence by themselves.

    B0056501-B0057000 is the sixth run of Waltham-Ball ORRS movements. Hence it isn't mentioned in the thread on First Run Research.

    Best regards,
    Kent
    That guy down in Georgia

  3. #33

    Default Re: Ball-Waltham ORRS First Run Research (By: Kent)

    Thank you, never received an email.

    I am also finding that PM I send do not go out(not in "Sent" box).

  4. #34

    Default Re: Ball-Waltham ORRS First Run Research (By: Clock Man)

    My pics of B060842 weren't working on page one of this thread, so reposting here ...

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    Default Re: Ball-Waltham ORRS First Run Research (By: Fred Hansen)

    Another for the list, 17 jewel pendent-set serial B060783 ...

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    Default Re: Ball-Waltham ORRS First Run Research (By: Fred Hansen)

    Current list of Ball-Waltham ORRS First Run Research with addition of B060783 from Fred:


    1B060706Pendant Set
    2B060708Setting unknown
    3B060713Pendant Set
    4B060729Pendant Set
    5B060768Pendant Set
    6B060771Setting unknown
    7B060773Pendant Set
    8B060778Setting unspecified (probably Pendant Set)
    9B060783Pendant Set
    10B060809Lever Set
    11B060812Pendant Set
    12B060836Pendant Set
    13B060841Pendant Set
    14B060842Pendant Set
    17B060863Lever Set
    16B060869Setting unknown
    17B060915Lever Set
    18B060972Pendant Set
    19B061018Setting unknown
    20B061060Pendant Set
    21B061063Setting unknown
    22B061099Setting unknown




    Total: 22

    Paul
    Last edited by Paul Sullivan; 03-11-2014 at 05:08 PM. Reason: Correct serial No. list

  7. #37

    Default Re: Ball-Waltham ORRS First Run Research (By: Paul Sullivan)

    Thanks for the updated list Paul but looks like you slotted this one in the 800's range instead of the 700's, I think you would want to put it at position #9 on the list.
    Fred Hansen
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    Default Re: Ball-Waltham ORRS First Run Research (By: Fred Hansen)

    Thanks Fred.
    I THINK I have it right now .

    I'll have to put the list in Excel to keep it straight.

    Paul

  9. #39

    Thumbs up Re: Ball-Waltham ORRS First Run Research (By: Fred Hansen)

    Thanks Fred!
    Kent
    That guy down in Georgia

  10. #40

    Default Re: Ball-Waltham ORRS First Run Research (By: Kent)

    At
    http://pocketwatchdatabase.com/
    I notice that B061095 is confirmed to be pendant set (and is 17J), so that data can be added to the list for a total of 23 confirmed Ball-Waltham ORRS First Run observations.
    Last edited by johnbscott; 06-28-2014 at 03:52 AM. Reason: Link correction

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    Default Re: Ball-Waltham ORRS First Run Research (By: johnbscott)

    Thanks John. Here's an updated list.
    1B060706Pendant Set
    2B060708Setting unknown
    3B060713Pendant Set
    4B060729Pendant Set
    5B060768Pendant Set
    6B060771Setting unknown
    7B060773Pendant Set
    8B060778Setting unspecified (probably Pendant Set)
    9B060783Pendant Set
    10B060809Lever Set
    11B060812Pendant Set
    12B060836Pendant Set
    13B060841Pendant Set
    14B060842Pendant Set
    17B060863Lever Set
    16B060869Setting unknown
    17B060915Lever Set
    18B060972Pendant Set
    19B061018Setting unknown
    20B061060Pendant Set
    21B061063Setting unknown
    22B061095Pendant Set
    23B061099Setting unknown

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    Default Re: Ball-Waltham ORRS First Run Research (By: Paul Sullivan)

    I notice that B061078 17J pendant set is currently for sale, replete with a BRT gold plug and incorrect dial and hands. That gives us 24 movements out of 400, so far.

    (The numbering in the tabulation is in need of correction.)

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    Default Re: Ball-Waltham ORRS First Run Research (By: johnbscott)

    B061078 added and numbering corrected.

    1B060706Pendant Set
    2B060708Setting unknown
    3B060713Pendant Set
    4B060729Pendant Set
    5B060768Pendant Set
    6B060771Setting unknown
    7B060773Pendant Set
    8B060778Setting unspecified (probably Pendant Set)
    9B060783Pendant Set
    10B060809Lever Set
    11B060812Pendant Set
    12B060836Pendant Set
    13B060841Pendant Set
    14B060842Pendant Set
    15B060869Setting unknown
    16B060863Lever Set
    17B060915Lever Set
    18B060972Pendant Set
    19B061018Setting unknown
    20B061060Pendant Set
    21B061063Setting unknown
    22B061078Pendant Set
    23B061095Pendant Set
    24B061099Setting unknown

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    Default Re: Ball-Waltham ORRS First Run Research (By: Paul Sullivan)

    Thanks, Paul.

    Now that the sale of B061078 has been concluded, I can mention that it was sold on eBay as item number 221488147966, so photographs can be seen at the auction site.


    My main interest (purely as an observer) was to note that the movement was fitted with a BRT gold seal. I have no idea whether that was original but, if so, then that is the earliest Ball-Waltham brotherhood marking that has come to notice. I am not getting too excited, though.

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    Default Re: Ball-Waltham ORRS First Run Research (By: johnbscott)

    John,

    Well it certainly went for a hefty price indeed. I'm a bit surprised that the BRT seal would cause it to so much more desirable than other first run Waltham ORRS to cause such a jump in price.

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