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    Default Re: pawn stars waltham pocket watch (By: dweiss17)

    This show will be repeated on the History channel this evening at 8PM ET

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    Default Re: pawn stars waltham pocket watch (By: Mike S)

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    This show will be repeated on the History channel this evening at 8PM ET
    The attached pictures are from the watch that was on the show. And yes, he put his thumb right on the movement that looked spotless.Click image for larger version. 

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    Default Re: pawn stars waltham pocket watch (By: Mike S)

    I thought it was funny that a history expert was giving advice on a horological timepiece. I would never pay $1600 for that watch.

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    Default Re: pawn stars waltham pocket watch (By: Phil7153)

    According to the serial number, the movement is a William Ellrey grade model 1877, made in 1884.

    So, I think it would be safe to assume, given the screw marks, that the movement is not original to the case.

    It also strikes me as very odd that someone would buy a "hero" a watch for saving his life and then hand scratch an inscription into it.

    My cop's sense tells me this is caper is cooked.

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    Default Re: pawn stars waltham pocket watch (By: Lorne)

    I saw one of the guys from this show comparing a Hamilton
    to an Illinois and asking which do you think is worth more

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0S4FewpdVM



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    Default Re: pawn stars waltham pocket watch (By: musicguy)

    Rick is still very short on his facts..

    Looks like a 12s Illinois vs a 992B.

    $800 vs $50, way off the mark, even 3 years ago.
    Jim Haney

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    Default Re: pawn stars waltham pocket watch (By: Jim Haney)

    These shows are all about creating drama and attracting viewers. Just that fact that we are all debating it means it was dramatic. Think about how the guitar collecting community or the doll collecting community are arguing right now about some other segment of this show. The argument is fun, but this show or "Pickers" or for that mater, "Antiques Road Show" is much more about keeping viewership by creating drama than about actual knowledge, facts and values. I know people are going to argue that Road Show is more toward the professional and factual, and I agree to an extent, but they arguably get it wrong over and over too.
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    Default Re: pawn stars waltham pocket watch

    Yes, all true

    Even the Road show is a bit disingenuous. You have to pay for tickets
    to the road show(and they are not inexpensive!). The participants have to bring their
    objects(sometimes very large) to the show for appraisal, and they know what the show is all about.
    The participants always seem so surprised when their object is worth something, as if they just
    had it in their pocket and didn't know it was an appraisal show.

    ......that said I still like the show.


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    Default Re: pawn stars waltham pocket watch (By: musicguy)

    I like to see what turns up on some of these shows. I'm not an expert by any means but you almost have to laugh at some of the values they show.

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    Default Re: pawn stars waltham pocket watch (By: musicguy)

    Quote Originally Posted by musicguy View Post
    Yes, all true

    Even the Road show is a bit disingenuous. You have to pay for tickets
    to the road show(and they are not inexpensive!). The participants have to bring their
    objects(sometimes very large) to the show for appraisal, and they know what the show is all about.
    The participants always seem so surprised when their object is worth something, as if they just
    had it in their pocket and didn't know it was an appraisal show.

    ......that said I still like the show.


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    Tickets to AR are free, but they are given out by a "lottery" system and you probably aren't going to get them if you only try once.

    A lot of their appraisals are good, but they have made some infamous mistakes. This is one people still talk about

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/roadshow/sea...es--200404A22/

    Also, I seem to recall tales of folks who knew what they had being told to "play dumb" on the air. It seems like I've heard second-hand that our own Mr. Cote was one such person-perhaps he can confirm or deny.

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    Default Re: pawn stars waltham pocket watch (By: ben_hutcherson)

    I only said they were expensive because someone once(10 yrs ago)
    offered to sell me their ticket. I guess it's very hard to get in.
    I didn't know the tickets were free. I guess they used to try
    to sell them on eBay, but the road show people would cancel those
    tickets if they found out.


    Rob

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    I don't watch this show much any more. I remember one show were some one brought in a Model 21 Hamilton chronometer and because it did not run Rick got it for cheap. Rick watchmaker came to look at it he removed a piece of paper used to cork it on the balance wheel and she started running perfectly and the watchmaker said that will be 20 bucks a cheap fix. The poor seller got taken to the cleaners.

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    Default Re: pawn stars waltham pocket watch (By: ben_hutcherson)

    Quote Originally Posted by ben_hutcherson View Post
    Also, I seem to recall tales of folks who knew what they had being told to "play dumb" on the air. It seems like I've heard second-hand that our own Mr. Cote was one such person-perhaps he can confirm or deny.
    I was on the show the first time Roadshow came to Indianapolis with my Seth Thomas Dualtime Regulator Clock. I don't think they really told me to "play dumb" but after I told the guy a lot about the clock I brought we sort of worked on a script which had him as the expert. I was fine with that. I don't think I looked shocked at the price. It was actually a pretty cool experience. I wish I had the link.
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    Quote Originally Posted by musicguy View Post
    I saw one of the guys from this show comparing a Hamilton
    to an Illinois and asking which do you think is worth more

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0S4FewpdVM



    Rob
    After the second erroneous statement in the first 26 seconds (1. Referring to a hunting case as a 'hard case', 2. hunting-case watches weren't allowed on the railroads) I gave up watching. Who could trust anything he said?
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