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    Tonight History Channel's Pawn Stars TV show had a Waltham pocket watch on the episode. It looked like an 1877 model 18 size keywind. The Store paid quite a bit for it. It had a civil war related inscription on the dust cover...one veteran thanking another for saving his life at Cross Keys BUT it seemed to me that there were extra case screw marks around the rim where the movement held in place. So a good possibility it's not the original movement. The appraiser brought in by the pawn shop not a watch specialist. Anyone else see the show? Comments? Apart from the civil war reference a fairly common watch in my opinion.

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    Last edited by Luca; 07-09-2012 at 10:11 PM.

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    Default Re: pawn stars waltham pocket watch (By: Luca)

    I missed it but DVRed the late showing tonight-I'll try to watch it tomorrow and see what I can tell from it.

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    Default Re: pawn stars waltham pocket watch (By: ben_hutcherson)

    Perhaps all the value was in the civil war reference on the dust cover. I didn't see the episode, either. I'd love to hear more.

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    Default Re: pawn stars waltham pocket watch (By: sderek)

    Reality shows are a ginned up product...some true parts and a lot of it is scripted. Paying $1300 for a silver cased watch, very common, was far too much.

    And, Rick Harrison is the guy that is supposed to know a lot about a lot of stuff. To me, the value was in the inscription. Still overpriced.

    Civil war collectors will gobble up the timepiece.

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    Default Re: pawn stars waltham pocket watch (By: dweiss17)

    I have been told that Rick Harrison's expert on watches is an NAWCC member. Although I didn't see this episode, I understand from Luca's original post that Rick called in a Civil War expert rather than a watch expert, which demonstrates that Rick saw the value in the inscription and not the watch, as Dan says below.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan
    To me, the value was in the inscription. Still overpriced. Civil war collectors will gobble up the timepiece.
    Except it seems to me that of Civil War collectors will "gobble it up" it probably wasn't overpriced
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    Default Re: pawn stars waltham pocket watch (By: MartyR)

    the woman walked away smiling BIG time (back story she paid twenty bux for it, so she was a winner from the get go)

    I could not freeze frame the shots, perhaps Ben can... to see CS marks.

    2 million Plus serial number william ellery, decent dial, broken second hand.

    the curvette was hand engraved.... and not 'that' good of a job. the exterior of the case was very good, a thick, 'drum' shape

    the Xpert was the curator of the county history museum, (used often... guy with the beard and big hat ) obviously had researched the names on the watch before his arrival.
    believe he was validating the thoughts of the engraving relating to a specific battle... though the engraving itself had NO indication of being CW related.

    lots O conjecture for what he paid!!
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    Default Re: pawn stars waltham pocket watch (By: terry hall)

    She should be smiling as she only paid $20 for it. The inscription was fairly generic according to the historian and was 'hand' inscribed. He considered it authentic mainly because it mentioned the battle of Cross Keys that is not commonly known to the public. I think the pawn shop lost out on this one.
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    Default Re: pawn stars waltham pocket watch (By: darrahg)

    I did freeze frame it. I saw at least one extra half moon shaped screw mark. The case was nice as stated earlier. Personally I'd look carefully at the inscription of anything purporting to be civil war related - I mean can't that be done well after the fact - like last year? I know most folks wouldn't be that unscrupulous but when there's value to be had... I just thought it interesting that the 'expert' was a generic museum guy rather than watch guy and he obviously didn't see the extra marks.

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    Default Re: pawn stars waltham pocket watch (By: Luca)

    I agree that the case was the most redeeming quality, although it wasn't as good as Rick seemed to think it was. I'd eyeball it at about 4 oz, although this is just a guess.

    I agree on the engraving also-the quality wasn't that great although it was interesting. To me, it might add a small amount of value, but nothing like what the shop paid.

    Incidentally, I think most would agree with me that the "$400-500 without the engraving" price was nuts. My max would be about half this if I were buying for my collection, and that's ONLY if the case looked really good in-hand.

    I'll look too for the case screw marks this evening.

    Did anyone else cringe when the museum guy left a big thumb print on the back of the movement?

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    Default Re: pawn stars waltham pocket watch (By: MartyR)

    Marty:

    I know the clock and watch expert used on the show is Ferdinand Geitner of Chapter 190, Ventura, CA. Just to show how phony the show is Ferdinand was called in from California to look at a clock Rick bought for $500. He had to travel from California to Nevada to examine the piece, a Hamilton chronometer. All that was wrong with the piece is that two pieces of flat cork held the balance tight from running as you carried the cased timepiece.

    We both know Geitner ain't going to travel about 360 miles (round trip) to get paid $50 for his services. That's what Rick said he paid Geitner.
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    Default Re: pawn stars waltham pocket watch (By: dweiss17)

    FURTHER:

    I forgot to mention the hand-engraved inscription on the cuvette looked far too shiny to be something engraved 130 or more years ago.

    These shows are repeated on the Internet by Antique Roadshows. The engraving deserves another look. It could be phony.

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    Default Re: pawn stars waltham pocket watch (By: dweiss17)

    I think the watch was way over valued.. Will someone pay for the Civil War engraving..? maybe, but now it has 2 histories, Civil War and Pawn Star's !!! What could beat that....

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    Default Re: pawn stars waltham pocket watch (By: dweiss17)

    Quote Originally Posted by dweiss17 View Post
    Marty:

    I know the clock and watch expert used on the show is Ferdinand Geitner of Chapter 190, Ventura, CA. Just to show how phony the show is Ferdinand was called in from California to look at a clock Rick bought for $500. He had to travel from California to Nevada to examine the piece, a Hamilton chronometer. All that was wrong with the piece is that two pieces of flat cork held the balance tight from running as you carried the cased timepiece.

    We both know Geitner ain't going to travel about 360 miles (round trip) to get paid $50 for his services. That's what Rick said he paid Geitner.
    I used to live in Ventura quite some time ago, Geitner got paid a lot more than $50 Ill tell you that.

    Does anyone know the season and episode number? I would like to download this episode and watch it.

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    Default Re: pawn stars waltham pocket watch (By: Phil7153)

    I too missed it but I now doubt the truth of what they put up. I spsoke with a friend who is watch guy but also collects bicycles. He saw another show on the same network that buys stuff. In this case it was an old bicycle, The paid $600 to a guy my friend knows. He asked why the high price. My friend says his friend told him it was faked. They did it for drama.

    It is also possible they just got it wrong. Experts to often do not recognize ther limits. Add a camera and lights and they get out of their depth.

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    Default Re: pawn stars waltham pocket watch (By: Dr. Jon)

    To Phil7153:

    Google Antique Roadshow...the episode you want happened in the year 2011.

    I still think the engraving on the cuvette. was far too recent.

    The show Pawn Stars may be repeated tonight...look at the TV schedule.

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