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    Default Re: Winterhalder / Miller / Colonial Mfg - grandfather clock (RE: Tinker Dwight)

    Thank you for the clarification, Tinker. Although I'm still in the dark about whether Miller participated meaningfully in the assembly or manufacture of the clock, since Andy has said Miller focused on mantel clocks.

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    Default Re: Winterhalder / Miller / Colonial Mfg - grandfather clock (RE: DanGrayson)

    Hi
    Andy probably has the best information on exactly what was done.
    The clocks of this period always seemed to have the three stamps.
    Sometimes I've seen HWN and sometimes Winterhalder spelled out.
    There is no question that the parts were manufactured in Germany
    but there seems to be some question as to who assembled the parts
    and where.
    I don't think Colonial had the ability to assemble movements and that
    connects Miller.
    Tinker Dwight
    Last edited by soaringjoy; 05-29-2012 at 03:05 PM. Reason: typo

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    Default Re: Winterhalder / Miller / Colonial Mfg - grandfather clock (RE: Tinker Dwight)

    Quote Originally Posted by Tinker Dwight View Post
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    I don't think Colonial had the ability to assemble movements and that
    connects Miller.
    Tinker Dwight
    Thank you. Indeed, I was sort of guessing that (in #12 above).

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    Default Re: Winterhalder / Miller / Colonial Mfg - grandfather clock (RE: DanGrayson)

    I have found a series of articles in some 1927 DUZs and AJUs, which I have not read in detail yet.

    It seemed, there was a co-partnership going on between H. Miller and H. Winterhalder, about the Zeeland
    factory. Miller was the financer and Winterhalder was supposed to be the technical direktor, having BF clockmakers
    to set-up a movement assembly or porduction in the Zeeland Colonial plant.
    There must have been newspaper articles about Mr. Winterhalder's German clock factory in the U.S. too.

    However, shortly afterward, the H. Winterhalder Co., that is, the Board of Directors of the stockholdings,
    published a note saying, that Winterhalder was not authorized to making any agreements or signing any contracts
    with Miller, or anyone else.
    Jurgen "tempus nostrum"

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    Default Re: Winterhalder / Miller / Colonial Mfg - grandfather clock (RE: soaringjoy)

    That's interesting. Could you post the links to the articles? (I can read German, sort of.)

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    Default Re: Winterhalder / Miller / Colonial Mfg - grandfather clock (RE: DanGrayson)

    Links, are you kidding? The NAWCC Library has a complete set of DUZs, the
    Library of Congress and the DGC Library. Oh, and me of course...
    No, honestly, they're not available online,afaik.
    I will try to scan them in later.
    Jurgen "tempus nostrum"

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    Default Re: Winterhalder / Miller / Colonial Mfg - grandfather clock (RE: soaringjoy)

    Oh! Well, in that case, I'm impressed with your personal library!

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    Default Re: Winterhalder / Miller / Colonial Mfg - grandfather clock (RE: DanGrayson)

    Here are some clips for your background information.
    Source, week and year of publishing is given in the file names.

    This is the first article concerning a "cooperation" between Miller, Winterhalder and
    the Zeeland factory. It's the one Stevenson quoted and translated in his NAWCC Bulletin
    article from 2009.

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    Another, seemingly more specific follow-up.

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    The Winterhalder stockholders claim, that Mr. H. Winterhalder was not authorized...

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    A clip concerning the participation of companies to a "prices convention", a cartel.
    Note, that both W&H and H. Winterhalder (Hawina) are listed as separate companies.

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    Statement of H. Winterhalder (Hawina) taking part (among others) in the founding of the
    Hausuhrwerke GmbH, Villingen; a distribution service for hall clocks and movements.
    Somewhat like Dugena and Zentra.
    The article also assumes, and this might be noted, that the combined production rates of
    all of the participating makers would be approx. 200.000 hall clock movements a year.
    Which isn't much, seen in relationship to other types of movements.
    What is not written there, but is indeed known, is, that very often, cabinet makers, wholesalers,
    or retailers ordering a hall clock movement, did not know which brand they would get - until they got it.
    And it didn't really matter to them, either, because any movement could be fitted to the cases.
    That's what makes it very hard to ID a hall clock (tall case). Even if the movement says HWN or
    Mauthe, or whatever, it doesn't mean the clock was made by that company at all.


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    An ad of this "Hausuhrwerke GmbH, Villingen"

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    One of the last Hawina ads.

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    BTW, by now, I consider having alarge "library" more of curse, than a blessing;
    One needs another lifetime to read it all...
    Last edited by soaringjoy; 05-26-2012 at 10:42 AM.
    Jurgen "tempus nostrum"

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    Default Re: Winterhalder / Miller / Colonial Mfg - grandfather clock (RE: soaringjoy)

    Wow, thanks! I'll carefully read them (with the aid of a dictionary). So it seems that Colonial was owned by the Herman Miller Company.

    Is Hawina a synonym of HWN?

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    Default Re: Winterhalder / Miller / Colonial Mfg - grandfather clock (RE: DanGrayson)

    Yes, it's the same company.
    Jurgen "tempus nostrum"

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