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    Default Old Dutch clock from Amsterdam?

    My buddy is recently working on this clock and for me is amazing clock and I would like to share pics of this "beauty".. and I hope to get some information about this piece of art..
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    Default Re: Old Dutch clock from Amsterdam? (RE: orlimarko)

    Looking in Morpurgo's Netherland Clock Makers listings.... They have a Dirk Dirkszoom listed, with this description.

    "moderne namaakklok met speelwerk met 12 arias."

    Using Google to translate it.... sit down first.

    "modern fake clock with chimes with 12 arias"

    The Morpurgo book is from 1970, so what "modern" means...?? It might mean 19th century??


    Ralph

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    Default Re: Old Dutch clock from Amsterdam? (RE: Ralph)

    A similiar clodk movement just passed my bench. It had the identical bells and music barrel system as this one. The movement was by Gravell & Tolkien-London (marked) of 1800 vintage. The front movement was diffenent from this one. G&T had used a 'standard' movement and adapted the music system. It played 8 1800 tunes. The case was a beautiful black and brass English bracket clock.

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    Default Re: Old Dutch clock from Amsterdam? (RE: Bob Reichel)

    Just two very small comments on Ralph's posting:

    I think it is Dirkszoon, not Dirkszoom.

    I think that 'namaakklok' is better translated as 'reproduction clock' rather than 'fake clock'.

    I hope this doesn't sound too nit-picking!

    JTD

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    Default Re: Old Dutch clock from Amsterdam? (RE: JTD)

    Yes, I'll have to agree with JTD.
    The word "namaak" can have several meanings in Dutch, one is "reproduction"
    and another is "fake".
    The Dutch do have some tradition in making reproductions of older clocks; almost
    all the Zandams, Stoelkloks, etc. seen on the net actually are reproductions of their
    own heritages.
    Jurgen "tempus nostrum"

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    Default Re: Old Dutch clock from Amsterdam? (RE: soaringjoy)

    This movement looks old..I`m not specialist but some brass pieces have nice patina..How old you think is this clock? I didnt see case but my buddy said is very tall(he is using ladder) and smells and looks like old..

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    Default Re: Old Dutch clock from Amsterdam? (RE: orlimarko)

    Certainly, it may very well be very old.
    There is, in general, not very much known about Dutch clocks, but the Dutch
    always were a seafaring and trading country and picked up things from all over
    the world. They had their own particular styles and many influenced styles as well.
    Best thing would be for one of our Dutch colleagues to drop in on this.
    Jurgen "tempus nostrum"

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    Default Re: Old Dutch clock from Amsterdam? (RE: soaringjoy)

    I've seen some complicated Dutch clocks that have been very suspicious. There are/were clever artisans in Europe, just like eastern Europe produces beautiful replica Viennas. I would look at screws threads and slots, bent brass vs cast brass to form, etc... and it can still be inconclusive.

    Regardless of it's pedigree, it looks great.

    Ralph

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    Default Re: Old Dutch clock from Amsterdam? (RE: Ralph)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph View Post
    Regardless of it's pedigree, it looks great.
    Ralph
    I agree, Ralph. It is a beauty all by itself. I would love to own one of these, original or reproduction.

    I am confused about how many melodies it plays. Could you clarify this, please, Bob?

    RobertG
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    Default Re: Old Dutch clock from Amsterdam? (RE: Robert Gary)

    It looks to be 6 tune... Bob can confirm.

    Ralph

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