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    Default Re: Can you identify this Anniverary clock (RE: Nochime)

    Thank you John for your reply its amazing how much one can learn.

    Shayne

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    Hi John I asked my aunt to check the clock in the mean time for a serial # and she says that there is no serial #just KS on the left hand side of the back plate which would make it a Kern . The dial also has Kern ,I am confused I have to pay her a vist soon .

    If you say only Kundo made these clocks then what have I stumbled across here?

    I do not know much about the history of Kundo and Kern did they have any association ?

    John at first i thought it could be a marriage of two clocks but we have

    1) KS movement no serial
    2) Kern dail octagonal
    3) rectangular/square weights

    What would be the approx production date.

    Thanks
    Shayne
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    Default Re: Can you identify this Anniverary clock (RE: Shayne)

    Quote Originally Posted by Shayne View Post
    Hi John I asked my aunt to check the clock in the mean time for a serial # and she says that there is no serial #just KS on the left hand side of the back plate which would make it a Kern . The dial also has Kern ,I am confused I have to pay her a vist soon .

    If you say only Kundo made these clocks then what have I stumbled across here?

    I do not know much about the history of Kundo and Kern did they have any association ?

    John at first i thought it could be a marriage of two clocks but we have

    1) KS movement no serial
    2) Kern dail octagonal
    3) rectangular/square weights

    What would be the approx production date.

    Thanks
    Shayne
    Shayne, please do visit and take some photos so this can be sorted out. Kundo and Kern had no association that I am aware of, however this clock "may" be one of the Schlenker & Posner clocks that were completed and sold by Kern in 1938 and 1939 after they bought out the SuP business. We have already documented several SuP design clocks having Kern logo stamps so this may be another. The pendulum, however, I suspect to be a marriage as I've not seen any square/rectangular weight pendulum used by any company other than Kundo. Photos will tell the story, be sure to get good clear photos of the movement back plate, upper suspension bracket, pendulum, full clock front, dial etc.

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    Default Re: Can you identify this Anniverary clock (RE: Nochime)

    Sure I will post pics.

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    Default Re: Can you identify this Anniverary clock (RE: John Hubby)

    Hi John I got some pics of the Kern as promised.

    Shayne

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    Default Re: Can you identify this Anniverary clock (RE: Nochime)

    Sorry here it is.

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    Default Re: Can you identify this Anniverary clock (RE: Shayne)

    Shayne,

    Your clock is a Kern. Pages from an undated Kern & Sohne catalogue shows the pendulum and dial used on some of their clock. Your exact clock is not shown.

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    Default Re: Can you identify this Anniverary clock (RE: Nochime)

    Vic, I also was going to post that it was a Kern, thanks for confirming as well as the catalog scans. This type of "squared ball" pendulum I have only seen on Kern clocks, actually it is quite different from the Kundo version that was posted with the clock that started this thread.

    Also, since I made my comment earlier about Kundo being the "only" one to use the particular octagon shaped dial on that same clock, I should have posted that most makers had some kind of octagon dial particularly in the 1920's/30's, but usually having quite a different appearance from the Kundo design. JUF, Kern & Link, Kern, and SuP all had octagon dials of one kind or other.

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    Default Re: Can you identify this Anniverary clock (RE: John Hubby)

    As the pictures in in the Kern & Sohne catalogue posted by Vic were undated we cannot know when the square ball pendulum was first introduced by the company. However we do know for sure clocks with these pendulums were made by the company in the mid 1950s.

    Pictures below show two clocks fitted with such pendulum. Both clocks are infact identical in many ways.
    Each has a wooden base quite similar but not identical to the one shown on the left picture in the catalogue page listed above .
    The name Kern is found on the octogan dial and a Kern & Sohne logo ( KS within a circle) stamped on the back plate on both clocks. The square ball pendulun of both clocks can be locked in position by raising the pendulum cup through turning a screw under the wood base. The upper part of the pendulum is then pushed against the collar above it and immobilizing the pendulum.

    Undernearth the wooden base of each of these two clocks is a ink-stamped date : 24 Jan 1955.
    The date was most probably stamped there by the workers who assembled the clock at the factory.
    Here we probably have the rare instance of knowing not only the year and month but also the day when the clock was made.
    More information on these two clocks can be found in an article published in the March 2001 issue of The Torsion Times.

    Mun C W

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    Not sure why a few pictures in the above post did not get through.
    I will try reposting them here again.

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    Default Re: Can you identify this Anniverary clock (RE: Nochime)

    I had one of these, same base, pillars, pendulum, everything. BUT, the base did not have any locking mechanism, it was just bare except for the ring. I've always wondered if it was original, or if a hobbyist had built the base. Now I know! Thanks! I gave it to a girlfriend at the time. Needless to say, I have not seen the clock (or her) for some time now

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