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    Question Encyclopedia Problems

    I'm not sure if these are real problems, or just portions of the upgrade that haven't been addressed yet.

    First, I see that autolinking is not happening when I use the title of an Encyclopedia article in a Message Board reply. I've had to go back and manually create the links.

    Second, the header of a section of an Encyclopedia article is no longer directly addressable (as it used to be in the previous version). This prevents the use of a manual link to a section of an Encyclopedia article to direct attention to a specific piece of information within the Encyclopedia article (especially a lengthy one).

    Third, either I am no longer allowed to edit an Encyclopedia article, or (more likely) I don't understand what to do after selecting the "Edit" tab and a gray box opens.

    Thanks for your attention,
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    Default Re: Encyclopedia Problems (By: Kent)

    Autolinking was accidentally left off. I am not sure what edit problem you are having. I don't see any problem but I have not done much Encyclopedia editing since the upgrade.
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    Default Re: Encyclopedia Problems (By: Kent)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kent View Post
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    Second, the header of a section of an Encyclopedia article is no longer directly addressable (as it used to be in the previous version). This prevents the use of a manual link to a section of an Encyclopedia article to direct attention to a specific piece of information within the Encyclopedia article (especially a lengthy one).
    ...
    Tom:

    Thanks for turning your attention to these issues. Is the ability to link directly to a section of an Encyclopedia article at the section's header now a lost feature, no longer available in the new upgrade, or is this something that can (and will) be reinstated?


    ...
    Third, either I am no longer allowed to edit an Encyclopedia article, or (more likely) I don't understand what to do after selecting the "Edit" tab and a gray box opens.

    Thanks for your attention,
    Having opened an Encyclopedia article (in IE 8), for example: Essex Watch Case Co., and clicking on the "Edit" tab, a text box opens. However, instead of containing the text of the article, all I see is a gray box bearing no text and which doesn't permit anything to be added.

    Is there now an additional step to take in order to bring up the article text or is there now an issue preventing me from editing articles?

    P.S. I have no problem editing my message board posts.
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    Default Re: Encyclopedia Problems (By: Kent)

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    Default Re: Encyclopedia Problems (By: Kent)

    Kent, I have no idea what is going on. I can log in as you using the Admin tools and I have no trouble editing your Encyclopedia articles. Have you tried using a different browser? I also noticed that you had the simple editor selected in your preferences. You might try changing that to advanced editor (or even WYSIWYG). I know you don't like those, but there may be an interaction. But, as I said, I logged in as you with the current setting using Firefox and it all just worked.
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    Unhappy Re: Encyclopedia Problems (By: Tom McIntyre)

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom McIntyre View Post
    Kent, I have no idea what is going on. I can log in as you using the Admin tools and I have no trouble editing your Encyclopedia articles. Have you tried using a different browser? ...
    I don't have another browser. I find it difficult to belive that the Encyclopedia upgade fails to continue to work with what is probably the most common browser in use, MS Internet Explorer.


    ... I also noticed that you had the simple editor selected in your preferences. You might try changing that to advanced editor (or even WYSIWYG). I know you don't like those, but there may be an interaction. ...
    I tried using the "Standard Editor" and got the same gray box as when I used the "Basic Editor". So, I then tried the "Enhanced Interface". You can see the garble of my attempted edit of the Essex Watch Case Co. article (using the same text, formatting, syntax, etc. in which I created the article) below in this message borad post, below, along with the grief it is causing me. This is how it appears if I edit the actual article


    ... But, as I said, I logged in as you with the current setting using Firefox and it all just worked.
    Are you sure that there isn't some simply thing that can be done so that the Encyclopedia articles can be edited using the "Basic Editor" in IE?


    ******************

    The Essex Watch Case Co. began in 1884. It was taken over by Courvoisier-Wilcox around 1893, but that only lasted until 1905 when that firm went under.

    Essex Watch Case Co.: A Thumbnail Description


    [COLOR=#000000]The book History of the American Watch Case, Warren H. Niebling, Whitmore Publishing, Philadelphia, PA, 1971 (available on loan by mail to members from the http://www.nawcc.org/index.php/library-a-research-center]NAWCC Library & Research Center[COLOR=#000000]), has a small amount to say about the Essex Watch Case Co. It began in 1884, making a grade of gold-filled cases named "http://mb.nawcc.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=115374&d=1325594294]Columbia." After several years, Thomas B. Hagstoz, who at one time was in a partnership that held the J. Boss patent for gold-filled case manufacture, was named president of Essex. Under his leadership, Essex expanded its line to include 14K and 18K solid gold cases as well as silver cases. "By 1894 they were turning out 300 cases a day."

    [COLOR=#000000]The Essex Watch Case Co. appears to have been taken over by the Courvoisier-Wilcox Mfg Co. some time between 1892, when the Columbia grade was http://mb.nawcc.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=115375&d=1325594303]still being sold[COLOR=#000000] by the Essex Watch Case Co., and 1895, at which time surviving ads show the change. Perhaps this occurred during the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1893]Panic of 1893[COLOR=#000000]. This firm continued the Essex line of solid gold cases; gold-filled cases, such as the http://mb.nawcc.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=115376&d=1325594305]Superior[COLOR=#000000] (and probably others); and silver cases as well. As pictures (posted by richiec) show, the Superior case was marked http://mb.nawcc.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=84721&d=1298119734]14K - Guraanteed 25 Years[COLOR=#000000] while the http://mb.nawcc.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=84720&d=1298119725]case paper[COLOR=#000000] clearly shows that it is a http://mb.nawcc.org/showwiki.php?title=Case+Material#Gold_Filled]gold-filled case.

    [COLOR=#000000]By June of 1905, Courvoisier-Wilcox passed into the hands of a receiver who http://mb.nawcc.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=115377&d=1325594312]sold off[COLOR=#000000] the complete stock of watch cases to Wm. I. Rosenfeld. At that time the remaining assets of Courvoisier-Wilcox were http://mb.nawcc.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=115378&d=1325594338]placed up for sale.

    [COLOR=#000000]A number of Essex and Courvoisier-Wilcox trade marks (but not all) may be seen on page 113 of the book http://www.ipmall.info/hosted_resources/ip_antique_library/Trademark/Jewelers_1904_a.pdf]Trade Marks Of The Jewelry And Kindred Trades, Second Edition, Jewelers' Circular Publishing Co., NY, 1904 (found online by Askbart).

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    Unhappy Re: Encyclopedia Problems (By: Kent)

    I've switched back to the "Basic Editor" Here's the text of the article as keep it and with which the article was created:

    *******************

    The Essex Watch Case Co. began in 1884. It was taken over by Courvoisier-Wilcox around 1893, but that only lasted until 1905 when that firm went under.

    [H="3"][b][color=blue]Essex Watch Case Co.: A Thumbnail Description[/color][/b][/H]
    The book [b][u]History of the American Watch Case,[/u][/b] Warren H. Niebling, Whitmore Publishing, Philadelphia, PA, 1971 (available on loan by mail to members from the [url=http://www.nawcc.org/index.php/library-a-research-center]NAWCC Library & Research Center[/url]), has a small amount to say about the Essex Watch Case Co. It began in 1884, making a grade of gold-filled cases named "[url=http://mb.nawcc.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=115374&d=1325594294]Columbia[/url]." After several years, Thomas B. Hagstoz, who at one time was in a partnership that held the J. Boss patent for gold-filled case manufacture, was named president of Essex. Under his leadership, Essex expanded its line to include 14K and 18K solid gold cases as well as silver cases. "By 1894 they were turning out 300 cases a day."

    The Essex Watch Case Co. appears to have been taken over by the Courvoisier-Wilcox Mfg Co. some time between 1892, when the Columbia grade was [url=http://mb.nawcc.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=115375&d=1325594303]still being sold[/url] by the Essex Watch Case Co., and 1895, at which time surviving ads show the change. Perhaps this occurred during the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1893]Panic of 1893[/url]. This firm continued the Essex line of solid gold cases; gold-filled cases, such as the [url=http://mb.nawcc.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=115376&d=1325594305]Superior[/url] (and probably others); and silver cases as well. As pictures (posted by richiec) show, the Superior case was marked [url=http://mb.nawcc.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=84721&d=1298119734]14K - Guraanteed 25 Years[/url] while the [url=http://mb.nawcc.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=84720&d=1298119725]case paper[/url] clearly shows that it is a [url=http://mb.nawcc.org/showwiki.php?title=Case+Material#Gold_Filled]gold-filled[/url] case.

    By June of 1905, Courvoisier-Wilcox passed into the hands of a receiver who [url=http://mb.nawcc.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=115377&d=1325594312]sold off[/url] the complete stock of watch cases to Wm. I. Rosenfeld. At that time the remaining assets of Courvoisier-Wilcox were [url=http://mb.nawcc.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=115378&d=1325594338]placed up for sale[/url].

    A number of Essex and Courvoisier-Wilcox trade marks (but not all) may be seen on page 113 of the book [b][u][url=http://www.ipmall.info/hosted_resources/ip_antique_library/Trademark/Jewelers_1904_a.pdf]Trade Marks Of The Jewelry And Kindred Trades, Second Edition[/url][/u][/b], Jewelers' Circular Publishing Co., NY, 1904 (found online by Askbart).

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    Default Re: Encyclopedia Problems (By: Kent)

    Kent, I feel like we are not communicating. I have offered several theories of what might be happening. However, when I log in as you, using IE9 and your current settings, tand then go to the Essex article and click on the Edit tab, this is what I see. My conclusion is that you have something blocked in your browser, perhaps a Javascript setting. Clearly I cannot do anything about that. I notice a slight delay between the time I click on the edit tab and its header opens to the time the full text is displayed. It all seems perfectly normal to me.
    ================================================== ========================================
    The Essex Watch Case Co. began in 1884. It was taken over by Courvoisier-Wilcox around 1893, but that only lasted until 1905 when that firm went under.

    Essex Watch Case Co.: A Thumbnail Description

    The book History of the American Watch Case, Warren H. Niebling, Whitmore Publishing, Philadelphia, PA, 1971 (available on loan by mail to members from the NAWCC Library & Research Center), has a small amount to say about the Essex Watch Case Co. It began in 1884, making a grade of gold-filled cases named "Columbia." After several years, Thomas B. Hagstoz, who at one time was in a partnership that held the J. Boss patent for gold-filled case manufacture, was named president of Essex. Under his leadership, Essex expanded its line to include 14K and 18K solid gold cases as well as silver cases. "By 1894 they were turning out 300 cases a day."

    The Essex Watch Case Co. appears to have been taken over by the Courvoisier-Wilcox Mfg Co. some time between 1892, when the Columbia grade was still being sold by the Essex Watch Case Co., and 1895, at which time surviving ads show the change. Perhaps this occurred during the Panic of 1893. This firm continued the Essex line of solid gold cases; gold-filled cases, such as the Superior (and probably others); and silver cases as well. As pictures (posted by richiec) show, the Superior case was marked 14K - Guraanteed 25 Years while the case paper clearly shows that it is a gold-filled case.

    By June of 1905, Courvoisier-Wilcox passed into the hands of a receiver who sold off the complete stock of watch cases to Wm. I. Rosenfeld. At that time the remaining assets of Courvoisier-Wilcox were placed up for sale.

    A number of Essex and Courvoisier-Wilcox trade marks (but not all) may be seen on page 113 of the book Trade Marks Of The Jewelry And Kindred Trades, Second Edition, Jewelers' Circular Publishing Co., NY, 1904 (found online by Askbart).

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    Question Re: Encyclopedia Problems (By: Kent)

    Kent, I feel like we are not communicating. I have offered several theories of what might be happening. However, when I log in as you, using IE9 and your current settings, tand then go to the Essex article and click on the Edit tab, this is what I see. My conclusion is that you have something blocked in your browser, perhaps a Javascript setting. Clearly I cannot do anything about that. I notice a slight delay between the time I click on the edit tab and its header opens to the time the full text is displayed. It all seems perfectly normal to me. The following is enclosed in NOPARSE tags so that it will appear in the output as I see it in the file.

    The Essex Watch Case Co. began in 1884. It was taken over by Courvoisier-Wilcox around 1893, but that only lasted until 1905 when that firm went under.

    [H="3"][b][color=blue]Essex Watch Case Co.: A Thumbnail Description[/color][/b][/H]
    The book [b][u]History of the American Watch Case,[/u][/b] Warren H. Niebling, Whitmore Publishing, Philadelphia, PA, 1971 (available on loan by mail to members from the [url=http://www.nawcc.org/index.php/library-a-research-center]NAWCC Library & Research Center[/url]), has a small amount to say about the Essex Watch Case Co. It began in 1884, making a grade of gold-filled cases named "[url=http://photos17.flickr.com/19728057_432de12c72_o.jpg]Columbia[/url]." After several years, Thomas B. Hagstoz, who at one time was in a partnership that held the J. Boss patent for gold-filled case manufacture, was named president of Essex. Under his leadership, Essex expanded its line to include 14K and 18K solid gold cases as well as silver cases. "By 1894 they were turning out 300 cases a day."

    The Essex Watch Case Co. appears to have been taken over by the Courvoisier-Wilcox Mfg Co. some time between 1892, when the Columbia grade was [url=http://photos5.flickr.com/19696912_90806446b8_o.jpg]still being sold[/url] by the Essex Watch Case Co., and 1895, at which time surviving ads show the change. Perhaps this occurred during the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1893]Panic of 1893[/url]. This firm continued the Essex line of solid gold cases; gold-filled cases, such as the [url=http://photos14.flickr.com/19696913_7299605ebd_o.jpg]Superior[/url] (and probably others); and silver cases as well. As pictures (posted by richiec) show, the Superior case was marked [url=http://mb.nawcc.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=84721&d=1298119734]14K - Guraanteed 25 Years[/url] while the [url=http://mb.nawcc.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=84720&d=1298119725]case paper[/url] clearly shows that it is a [url=http://mb.nawcc.org/showwiki.php?title=Case+Material#Gold_Filled]gold-filled[/url] case.

    By June of 1905, Courvoisier-Wilcox passed into the hands of a receiver who [url=http://photos16.flickr.com/19728058_e85e784c5c_o.jpg]sold off[/url] the complete stock of watch cases to Wm. I. Rosenfeld. At that time the remaining assets of Courvoisier-Wilcox were [url=http://photos15.flickr.com/19728059_5f4b2e6910_o.jpg]placed up for sale[/url].

    A number of Essex and Courvoisier-Wilcox trade marks (but not all) may be seen on page 113 of the book [b][u][url=http://www.ipmall.info/hosted_resources/ip_antique_library/Trademark/Jewelers_1904_a.pdf]Trade Marks Of The Jewelry And Kindred Trades, Second Edition[/url][/u][/b], Jewelers' Circular Publishing Co., NY, 1904 (found online by Askbart).

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    Default Re: Encyclopedia Problems (By: Tom McIntyre)

    Kent, it looks like you solved the problem. Would you mind sharing the solution just in case others run into the same issue?
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    Thumbs up Re: Encyclopedia Problems (By: Tom McIntyre)

    Well Tom:

    I came here to tell you about it and thank you and I now see that you noticed it already.

    You were correct in that we weren't communicating. Until your last two posts, I didn't realize that you used IE when you logged in as me and used my settings. Once I understood that, I went to my wife's computer and was able to upload my pre-written (and edited) text into the Basic Editor and save it as you discovered.

    When I have some time tomorrow, I'll look into why my own machine (which is now more than six years old and is running Windows XP) can't deal with the Message Board's Encyclopedia upgade. When I find the cause and cure, I'll post it here.

    Thanks for taking the time to look into my problem,
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    Question Re: Encyclopedia Problems (By: Kent)

    I've gone through my Internet Opetions and can't find anything that clears up this issue.

    Using the Basic Editor, when I click on an article's "Edit" tab, the text appears briefly in the text box, then box goes gray.

    In the Tools/Internet Options, I unchecked: "Disable script debugging (Internet Explorer)" and then tried the "Edit" tab again. This brought up the note:

    Line: 134
    Error: 'q.getCommand(...)' is null or not an object

    I have no idea if this is meaningful or if so, what it means.


    I would appreciate any suggestions as to what I might look for or try doing.

    Many thanks,
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    Question Re: Encyclopedia Problems (By: Kent)

    New Information:

    I just tried to edit using my laptop, which also is using IE8, and it too gets a grayed out text box. My wife's laptop, which can edit, is running IE9 - which is what Tom noted that he used.

    Is it possible that the Encyclpedia upgrade isn't fully compatible with IE8?
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    Default Re: Encyclopedia Problems (By: Kent)

    Kent, it works fine for me using both FF 9 and IE 8.
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    Default Re: Encyclopedia Problems (By: soaringjoy)

    The editors are written in Javascript and depend on the particular implementation in your browser. Microsoft fully supports Javascript, but since it is competitive with some of their other products, the don't necessarily fully conform. It is a culture kind of thing. It is quite possible that your particular copy of IE8 has another add on or feature that conflicts with the Javascript here.

    We might be able to sort this out and Vaultwiki did have an option to not use Javascript for the Encyclopedia tabs but that option makes the operation much heavier because all transitions use up server resources. With Javascript, that work is distributed out to everyone's workstation.

    Is there a reason you do not want to upgrade to IE9? I normally accept all browser upgrades as soon as they are offered. They all seem to import favorites and history now if you allow them to, so there is little downside to upgrading.
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