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    Default Can You Identify This Clock (By: Cdrsuppo)

    I love this hobby! A neighbor has entrusted me to work on his family heirloom, a clock which could be of Hungarian(paternal) or German(maternal) origin. The pictures show a bracket clock (approx. 12X10X4). It has a porcelain dial with the script "Simon Korensik" "In Leibniz" "1761". The movement (still assembled) has no markings. It has a calendar feature. The case has 3 pieces of glass remaining, none of which match the period. There is much pin worm damage. Braces(top & bottom)of thin plywood support the backside of the panel to which the movement is screwed to and it is held in the case by cut nails.
    I wound it and it runs with great accuracy (about 2 days worth). The two barreled springs have stop works and the clicks seem to be in the barrel (I can not see any). I must be careful when disassembling this further. The pendulum is simple without a bob. it has the upper end showing through a lenticle(?) slot above the dial and a painted scene on a disk above that.
    My plans are to finish disassembly and inspection (how old are these springs?) and repair some of the worm damage to stabilize the structure (perhaps hide glue) and generally "cause no harm". Also replace the glass and missing key for lock. Any info, ideas, or comments are appreciated.
    http://static.flickr.com/71/229690274_9e31e1cd33.jpg
    http://static.flickr.com/72/229690278_64f2d9e42c.jpg
    http://static.flickr.com/66/229690285_53a904c2cf.jpg
    http://static.flickr.com/72/229690289_51e4c5022d.jpg
    http://static.flickr.com/59/229690294_aee32763fe.jpg
    http://static.flickr.com/68/229690282_737767a220.jpg

    Harry - NAWCC member - Fayetteville, PA

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    Default Can You Identify This Clock

    I love this hobby! A neighbor has entrusted me to work on his family heirloom, a clock which could be of Hungarian(paternal) or German(maternal) origin. The pictures show a bracket clock (approx. 12X10X4). It has a porcelain dial with the script "Simon Korensik" "In Leibniz" "1761". The movement (still assembled) has no markings. It has a calendar feature. The case has 3 pieces of glass remaining, none of which match the period. There is much pin worm damage. Braces(top & bottom)of thin plywood support the backside of the panel to which the movement is screwed to and it is held in the case by cut nails.
    I wound it and it runs with great accuracy (about 2 days worth). The two barreled springs have stop works and the clicks seem to be in the barrel (I can not see any). I must be careful when disassembling this further. The pendulum is simple without a bob. it has the upper end showing through a lenticle(?) slot above the dial and a painted scene on a disk above that.
    My plans are to finish disassembly and inspection (how old are these springs?) and repair some of the worm damage to stabilize the structure (perhaps hide glue) and generally "cause no harm". Also replace the glass and missing key for lock. Any info, ideas, or comments are appreciated.
    http://static.flickr.com/71/229690274_9e31e1cd33.jpg
    http://static.flickr.com/72/229690278_64f2d9e42c.jpg
    http://static.flickr.com/66/229690285_53a904c2cf.jpg
    http://static.flickr.com/72/229690289_51e4c5022d.jpg
    http://static.flickr.com/59/229690294_aee32763fe.jpg
    http://static.flickr.com/68/229690282_737767a220.jpg

    Harry - NAWCC member - Fayetteville, PA

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    Default Can You Identify This Clock (By: Cdrsuppo)

    Very nice, Harry. :biggrin:
    I wouldn't automatically replace springs, despite their age. They are probably better than the modern ones we get.

    The lack of visible clicks is interesting - I cannot see how they could work inside the barrel unless the great wheel was separate from the barrel, and the latter stationary.
    Mike - banned member of the throwaway society. :o

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    Default Can You Identify This Clock (By: Cdrsuppo)

    I notice that each of the barrels are attached to the back plate by 2 'L' brackets. The wheel is not attached to the barrel. I will have to peer closer to see how it clicks.

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    Default Can You Identify This Clock (By: Cdrsuppo)

    Hi:
    I would guess French made. Also, it looks to me like it has repeater mechanism on it. What do you think Mike?

    Tom

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    Default Can You Identify This Clock (By: Cdrsuppo)

    You've a nice neighbor, Harry. "Korensik" doesn't show up in Abeler or similar sources. The place however is probably "Leibnitz" in Austria. And the name is perhaps more commonly spelled "Korencik." Regards, Duck

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    Default Can You Identify This Clock (By: Cdrsuppo)

    This looks like an Austrian bracket clock to me--probably early 19th century. The springs are in 'hanging barrels.' I have a similar clock--slightly older--and although it's been a long time since I disassembled it, I don't recall any unusual problems regarding the barrels. Just let the mainsprings down and remove the bracket. I think the barrel with its spring is then easily removable.

    Jeremy
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    Default Can You Identify This Clock (By: Cdrsuppo)

    Jeremy - how do you let them down? On the inside of the back plate there is what I believe to be a stop work wheel (about 3 'teeth'), the pawl being on the arbor. I see no click although as I wind it, there is definitely a rachet working. I will have to try get a closer picture although my camera does not handle macro focus.

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    Default Can You Identify This Clock (By: Cdrsuppo)

    Welcome, Hello, nice clock. Posted photos of clocks always welcomed here! Try using the "find" feature on this message board (if you have not already). You may find it very helpful. Some of your concerns about good restoration have been discussed at length. You may want to search for good clock repairing books, too- there are many good books mentioned in previous threads.

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    Default Can You Identify This Clock (By: Cdrsuppo)

    I think--if I remember correctly--I had to let the trains run down. You can probably remove the verge from the time train and let it run down in a controlled manner. The strike would also have to be allowed to run until the spring is unwound. Since these are not 8-day clocks, the springs are not that powerful, and with careful disassembling any small remaining power in the springs should be able to be dissipated without any damage.
    Jeremy

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    Default Can You Identify This Clock (By: Cdrsuppo)

    Tom
    It looks like a normal rack strike, but with the English system, not the French type, so Austrian is a distinct possibility.
    It will only repeat inasmuch as there might be a cord attached to the warning piece - could not strike during the warning period.

    The extra bell crank is to allow the hands to be turned backwards.

    Cdr
    As the barrels are fixed, the clockwork will be on the great wheels, inside the barrel.
    You will have to let the springs down as Jeremy suggests, but drench the going train pivots in oil first, and do not let the train run away completely. Remove stopwork first.

    Jeremy
    It may be an 8-day.
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    Default Can You Identify This Clock (By: Cdrsuppo)

    Well, I jumped in and separated the plates. Seems like I didn't have ALL the power off and I was was glad the springs were in barrels. But a casualty was one pivot (.021) broken :frown: and its on the long end of arbor behind the pinion. I do wish I had a steady-rest for my Boley lathe. Oh well ! Here are pictures of this internal click on the barreled spring. I do see that there is a hole in the bottom of the case for the repeater. It strikes the last hour.
    Thanks to all for their help thus far.

    http://static.flickr.com/66/231205848_296cf36513.jpg <<after plates separated
    http://static.flickr.com/87/231205850_2a210d8d9f.jpg <<parts all over
    http://static.flickr.com/75/231205847_38dbca1fbe.jpg <<close-up of internal click
    http://static.flickr.com/58/231205853_0447831867.jpg <<both springs
    http://static.flickr.com/90/231205846_3de57c4037.jpg <<broken pivot
    http://static.flickr.com/65/231205851_1412adaa13.jpg <<previous repair on a wheel

    Harry - NAWCC Member - Fayetteville, PA

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    Default Can You Identify This Clock (By: Cdrsuppo)

    Bad idea, Harry. You are very lucky that you and the clock vere relatively unscathed.
    Dismantling a would clock is a good way of removing fingers, wheel teeth and pivots.
    Then you have to clean all the blood off.
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