Month's Goal: $300, Received: $350.00 - (117%) Contribute Now
Donate whatever you can or Join the 15,000 other NAWCC members for only $72 (plus $10 for hard copy publications). Check it out here.


NOTICE Notice: This is an old thread. The last post was 1142 days ago. If your post is not directly related to this discussion please consider making a new thread.
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 21
  1. #1

    Default escapement question

    Hello,
    This is my first post to this site after joining the NACWW. I have a Bundy time recorder with a well worn verge. The palets have grooves worn in them. My question is, when replacing the verge, do I have to replace the entire escapement mechanism or can I just replace the verge. I am very much a novice at clock repair and I am trying to learn as I go.
    Thank you for your time.

  2. #2
    Registered User LaBounty's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2002
    Location
    Mitchell, NE
    Posts
    3,312

    Default Re: escapement question (RE: ecross)

    Hi Ecross and welcome to the Message Board!

    Your pallets can have the wear ground and polished out, then can be adjusted for locks and drops. It isn't necessary to replace them.

    However, to answer your question... No, you don't need to replace the escape wheel when replacing an anchor.

    Regards,

  3. #3

    Default Re: escapement question (RE: ecross)

    ecro,

    I usually study the situation carefully and determine if the verge and/or the escape wheel can be moved laterly about 1/16 inch. This will put a brand new surface in play with no downside that I am aware off.

    Changing parts in a newer movement is great, when the factory replacement parts are available, but changing/making replacements parts for an older clock can be very frustrating for a beginner (or experienced repairer). So, in my book anyway, always look closely to see if the above method can be used to good effect.

    Good luck, Willie X

  4. #4

    Default Re: escapement question (RE: Willie X)

    I had worn pallets on a verge to a tall case clock. Sometimes it would skip two teeth because the escape wheel had teeth at slightly different heights and the slipped through the grooves of the pallet.

    I was able the remove the verge and solder new steel faces on the pallets using steel feeler gages as shims from the auto parts store. I believe that I used a 0.006" thick feeler that I was able to cut with scissors slightly larger than I needed.

    The fun starts when you have to file down the material to make the verge/escape function together again. It will take many repeat hand filings to get it right.

    I made the pallets a little wider because there was slight mis-alignment between the verge and escape wheel. I was afraid of breaking the parts re-aligning them and this was an easy fix.

    Now the clock works fine.

    I am not a clock expert. However, this was done easily with only a file, soldering iron and steel shims with my minimum skills. It is fun to accomplish something by yourself.

  5. #5

    Default Re: escapement question (RE: ecross)

    Thank you for the responses.
    I now have to evaluate the digest the different suggestions. At least I have something that may give me the result that I am looking for.
    Thank you again

  6. #6
    Forums Administrator harold bain's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2002
    Location
    Whitby, Ontario, Canada
    Posts
    31,968

    Default Re: escapement question (RE: ecross)

    Post a few pictures of your clock. Always like to see the old time recorders.
    harold bain, Member ch 33
    "If it won't "tick",
    let me "tock" to it"

  7. #7

    Default Re: escapement question (RE: ecross)

    I'm always curious, so will ask the reason for your question. Is the clock having problems? Often, newbies get focused on the impulse part of clocks and overlook more serious problems elsewhere. Most clocks can run with pretty deep grooves in the anchor, although their efficiency is greatly compromised. So, what's the story?

  8. #8

    Default Re: escapement question (RE: shutterbug)

    The reason that I believe that I may need to replace the verge is the clock, when wound to full power, will skip a couple to teeth on the escapement wheel and create a small burr on the teeth. I have tried to set the verge deeper into the wheel as suggested by other members of the NACWW prior to me joining. This caused the clock to stop. I tried many times to adust the verge and either the clock stopped or it skipped teeth and the clock gained time quickly. I now only wind the clock to half power and this seems to work out OK. I am concerned that if I don't fix the problem it will lead to bigger problems. I am new at working on clocks although I am learning. A few months ago I totally dismantled a dial recorder movement and the recorder itself. I cleaned it and reassembled it. I replaced a couple of parts and this is when I took interest in repairing my clocks only. I learned allot but I still know very little and I am trying to learn. It is one thing to take something apart and put it back together, it is another thing to understand how they work and what makes them run. This is what I am trying to learn now.
    I will try to add a couple of pics of my clocks.

    Attachment 86442

    Attachment 86443

  9. #9
    Forums Administrator harold bain's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2002
    Location
    Whitby, Ontario, Canada
    Posts
    31,968

    Default Re: escapement question (RE: ecross)

    I had a similar problem with my Stromberg master clock, and found the cure to be closing the distance between the pallets. But, there wasn't any noticable wear on the pallets. I think you may find refacing the pallets easier than making a new anchor.
    harold bain, Member ch 33
    "If it won't "tick",
    let me "tock" to it"

  10. #10

    Default Re: escapement question (RE: harold bain)

    Your attachments don't seem to work.

  11. #11

    Default Re: escapement question (RE: shutterbug)

    Work for me.
    1. Check out the REPAIR HINTS & HOW-TO's forum! Click Here.

  12. #12
    Registered User Scottie-TX's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    Mesquite, TX
    Posts
    803

    Default Re: escapement question (RE: bangster)

    Here: These work too.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Bundy%20Clock%20with%20recorder%20002.jpg   Bundy%20Clock%20with%20recorder%20001.jpg  

  13. #13
    Registered User Scottie-TX's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    Mesquite, TX
    Posts
    803

    Default Re: escapement question (RE: Scottie-TX)

    I'd be in favor of resurfacing the pallets and adjusting to compensate for the loss of material.
    I would send the movement to LABOUNTY and let him make it near perfect.

  14. #14

    Default Re: escapement question (RE: bangster)

    Thank you again for the suggestions. I am always open to input. I will try to resurface the grooved areas first with a small flat hone and then try to adjust it to work better. If anyone thinks this is wrong I appreciate that input as well. I need to hear all sides to help me learn something. I have learned things the hard way and I want to improve my abilities to repair something without taking steps backwards. But this is sometimes the way for me to learn.
    I will try to include a couple of pics of the dial recorder that I restored. Although it doesn't show allot, it does show the before and after condition.
    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	ITR Dial Recorder 009.jpg 
Views:	16 
Size:	177.9 KB 
ID:	86458

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	ITR Dial Recorder repair 179.jpg 
Views:	13 
Size:	103.7 KB 
ID:	86459

  15. #15
    Registered User Scottie-TX's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    Mesquite, TX
    Posts
    803

    Default Re: escapement question (RE: ecross)

    Are these adjustable pallets? Can they be moved? If not, after resurfacing pallets it is often necessary to close the gap between them. Often, this means bending the pallet arms.

Similar Threads

  1. Escapement Questions
    By bangster in forum Clock Repair
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 06-03-2006, 06:24 PM
  2. Escapment question
    By alskogen in forum Clock Repair
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 04-18-2006, 12:40 AM
  3. Escapement Question/Problem
    By Larry Wilson in forum Watch Repair
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: 03-27-2006, 06:29 PM
  4. Escapement question for master watchmakers
    By fuzzuki in forum Wrist Watches
    Replies: 13
    Last Post: 06-17-2004, 11:48 AM
  5. Low angle escapement question
    By Harold Visser in forum Wrist Watches
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 03-01-2003, 04:53 AM

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •