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    Default Who Made These Cases?

    I recently acquired two 18k watches with mystery cases.

    One is a V&C in a very nice two-tone 18k case. The case is not signed by V&C, but rather by "E.E.R." See the first photo below. Do you know who made this case?

    The second is a pretty watch signed "S. Cats." I haven't a clue as to who "S. Cats" was, but the dial is Cartier like and I have seen a signed Cartier with the same case. The case isn't signed, but it is stamped with several strange symbols. Do you know what these symbols mean or who made this case.
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    Default Re: Who Made These Cases? (By: Ethan Lipsig)

    According to VC, EER was their US agent from 1921-1938. They were authorized to put their initials along with the VC markings on cases they had manufactured in America, similar to the arrangement with Verger in Paris.
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    Default Re: Who Made These Cases? (By: tick talk)

    Intersting case. The EER cases I have seen were on watches I thought were for the US market. The hallmark in shot 6 is the French "limited warantee mark for 18k gold. This suggest that at least this EER case is French, since they only used this mark on items made in France for the domestic market. Shot 5 is the case maker's mark, which was registered with the French hallmarkign authority and should be on record somewhere.

    I suspect that EER subconracted this case possibly becuase they could not do the multicolor back.

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    Default Re: Who Made These Cases? (By: tick talk)

    Ethan,

    Regarding the S. Cats watch (which has a beautiful guilloche dial), I believe the diamond shaped stamp would be the makers mark. It should be two initials on either side of a trademark, but I can't make out enough detail to figure out what it might be.

    The irregular shaped mark would appear to be the French "Eagle's Head" hallmark for 18K, over the numeral 3.

    At least that's what I think I see...
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    Default Re: Who Made These Cases? (By: Cary Hurt)

    Thanks!

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    Default EER explained... (By: Ethan Lipsig)

    Prompted by this discussion, I contacted a good friend at VC and received this info:
    "EER: Edmond E. Robert, were VC agents in the US based in New York from 1894-1937. In 1937 Robert sold the business to Longines-Wittnauer. The few examples we have of cases signed EER were made in the US but that doesn't mean that he didn't have them made elsewhere."

    Aside from recognizing that EER was an importer and not a case manufacturer, I can only add that Wittnauer continued to act as the American importer of LeCoultre and Vacheron for a period, thus we have their VXN markings on both brands of movements which has caused some confusion among collectors assuming they were manufactured together.
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    Default Re: EER explained... (By: tick talk)

    The case of the second watch was made by Jules Person, a Parisian casemaker, with a workshop at 226 rue Saint-Martin who started the business in 1905. To a point, he competed with Verger. If you still have the watch could you post a photo of the movement?
    Thank you.
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    Default Re: EER explained... (By: Philip Poniz)

    Thanks Philip! I've attached a shot of the movement. If you or anyone else can identify the maker, I would love to know.
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