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    Default Hamilton 992 w/model 3 case - seeking info

    I have a 992 Railroad model watch that was passed down to me. It was originally my grandfather's and he was a conductor with Great Northern from what I remember (back the 1920's-1930's). The watch still runs, but every once in awhile it will stop and when give it a light tap on the back of the case it starts running again.

    Anyway, I was wondering if anyone could "educate" me on the history of this model and whether its components are all original and built up at the same time/period. I'd be interested in any relevant info.

    In addition to the pics I'm attaching here is some additional info:


    • Serial number on case back: 283925
    • Movement SN: 2489613
    • There are some very small engravings inside the case back in three different spots with the following: A1402 (just below the "14K GOLD FILLED"), 29084 (just below the serial number), and 7189P (in the lower right edge at about 5 O'clock position).
    • Number on the "center" part that the bezel & back screw onto: 3 8 7 5.
    • I vaguely remember being told that the bezel and the hands had been replaced by a jeweler sometime in the 1970's. Apparently I had done some damage to the watch when I was a toddler (my bad ).

    I appreciate any help and please ask if there is anything else I can inspect to help identify.

    Thanks.
    Greg
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    Default Re: Hamilton 992 w/model 3 case - seeking info (By: gbonz)

    Hi Greg and welcome to the message board!

    First, the small engraved inside the case is watchmakers marks from repair and service in the past, it is impossible to trace or understand as all watch makers has their own markings. If this part has been replaced it is not even likely that the marks has anything to do with your watch, just a thought.
    Overall a very nice watch, I will have to leave the dating to some of the others here as I do not have that access.
    It seems correct that some part(s) of the watch case has been switched in the past as the last four digits from the case body usually are the same as the serial number stamped inside the back of the case, not to worry as long as it is the same style and modell though it does detract some from the economic value but since it is a family heirloom it is priceless anyway.
    Looks good, the reason for stopping now and then is that it probably could need service - cleaning, oiling and adjusting. When properly serviced these watches are very good timekeepers.

    Thanks for showing it!

    Michael

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    Default Re: Hamilton 992 w/model 3 case - seeking info (By: gbonz)

    Quote Originally Posted by gbonz View Post
    I have a 992 Railroad model watch that was passed down to me. It was originally my grandfather's and he was a conductor with Great Northern from what I remember (back the 1920's-1930's). The watch still runs, but every once in awhile it will stop and when give it a light tap on the back of the case it starts running again.

    Anyway, I was wondering if anyone could "educate" me on the history of this model and whether its components are all original and built up at the same time/period. I'd be interested in any relevant info.

    In addition to the pics I'm attaching here is some additional info:


    • Serial number on case back: 283925
    • Movement SN: 2489613
    • There are some very small engravings inside the case back in three different spots with the following: A1402 (just below the "14K GOLD FILLED"), 29084 (just below the serial number), and 7189P (in the lower right edge at about 5 O'clock position).
    • Number on the "center" part that the bezel & back screw onto: 3 8 7 5.
    • I vaguely remember being told that the bezel and the hands had been replaced by a jeweler sometime in the 1970's. Apparently I had done some damage to the watch when I was a toddler (my bad ).
    I appreciate any help and please ask if there is anything else I can inspect to help identify.

    Thanks.
    Greg
    I, too, welcome you. Your movement is the second model of the 992 grade and was made in the 1927-28 timeframe. The Model 3 case was made by the Fahys-Watch-Case Co. and was introduced to the trade, May 1, 1926.

    The serial number of all three case components should match. Generally speaking the case back is the one that is usually replaced.

    Robert

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    Default Re: Hamilton 992 w/model 3 case - seeking info (By: Robert Sweet)

    Welcome...

    from the finishing records...

    The run 2489001-2490000 went to finishing 11/2/1927

    Nice watch, just some slight wear on the crown and bow which would be totally expected!
    Chapter 17 North Carolina
    http://www.nawcc-carolina17.org/default.htm
    Chapter 149 Early American Watch Club .. Home of Russ Snyder Illinois CD database and Henry Burgell Serial number Look-up ... excellent research resources!
    http://www.nawcc-ch149.com/ http://www.nawcc-ch149.com/pw_dbresearch.html
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    Default Re: Hamilton 992 w/model 3 case - seeking info (By: terry hall)

    Hey. Thanks for the welcomes and the great info. Much appreciated.

    Questions: Is there a way I can visibly tell if the bezel and hands (and possibly the face) have been replaced (at least with something other than original parts)? Bezel thickness, hand shape, etc...? How much will this affect the overall value of the watch if these parts are not originals? Also, what can anyone tell me about the face design on the watch?

    Thanks!

    Greg

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    Default Re: Hamilton 992 w/model 3 case - seeking info (By: gbonz)

    The major case components are seralized... start with the number stamped in the case back...

    The center frame 'should' have markings on one side or the other near the threads that is at least a partial match to the back cover. Not all digits are used... maybe 4 or 5 digits.

    The front bezel should also have a marking... but depending on the example, it may be a stamped partial number on the flat of the bezel , or a hand inscribed number in roman numerals near the crystal suface... a Zero is depicted as an 'upside-down' V ( ^). So 'think' about how these are laid out... one can be looking at the number upside down

    crowns, bows and stems are not serialized.

    hands are not serialized, nor dials.... but remember, these could be 'swapped' at the point of sale.

    It takes having the factory shipping box for the watch to determine how it left the factory ( for factory cased examples ) such has the Hamilton Model 3 and others. These existing boxed examples are obtainable... but not on every corner

    The dial on your watch (face design) is given a name "Blind Man" in the Hamilton Time Books starting in the late teens... on the boxes and in some ads it would be designated as BM. The bold hour numerals were to assist with reading the dial in lower light conditions. The five minute markers are ususally RED on these. This dial was used until the late 30's on the 992 and then the 992E.

    Searching thru the topics at the top of the main page will also help with much valuable info, as well as the info in the Wiiki which I have not mastered
    Last edited by terry hall; 10-19-2010 at 11:49 AM.
    Chapter 17 North Carolina
    http://www.nawcc-carolina17.org/default.htm
    Chapter 149 Early American Watch Club .. Home of Russ Snyder Illinois CD database and Henry Burgell Serial number Look-up ... excellent research resources!
    http://www.nawcc-ch149.com/ http://www.nawcc-ch149.com/pw_dbresearch.html
    Chapter 149 Mentor List http://www.nawcc-ch149.com/mentor.html

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    Default Re: Hamilton 992 w/model 3 case - seeking info (By: terry hall)

    Where in NC are you Terry? I lived in High Point & Thomasville (worked in Lexington) until I moved out West earlier this year.

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    Default Re: Hamilton 992 w/model 3 case - seeking info (By: gbonz)

    Near High Rock Lake
    Chapter 17 North Carolina
    http://www.nawcc-carolina17.org/default.htm
    Chapter 149 Early American Watch Club .. Home of Russ Snyder Illinois CD database and Henry Burgell Serial number Look-up ... excellent research resources!
    http://www.nawcc-ch149.com/ http://www.nawcc-ch149.com/pw_dbresearch.html
    Chapter 149 Mentor List http://www.nawcc-ch149.com/mentor.html

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