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    Default Baume et Mercier Bidynator

    Hi-
    Who has info on this watch and the Bidynator movement? Can someone tell me the age and current market value?Click image for larger version. 

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    Default Re: Baume et Mercier Bidynator (RE: 7baume60)

    Welcome,

    The watch was not made by Baume & Mercier. The term "Bidynator" was a copyrghted name the watch manufacturer Felsa used for the self winding rotor on many of their sutomatic wind movements, during the 1950s. Yours appears to be a Felsa 690 movement. The Felsa series of automatic wind movements were real workhorses during the era they were produced. They weren't the first full rotor, dual wind automatic movements, but they were a very early successful one. Particularly in the popular price range. Appraisals and evaluations are not permitted on this MB.

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    Default Re: Baume et Mercier Bidynator (RE: 7baume60)

    Not made by B&M ? Asking for market value is similar to asking what the average B&M costs now. An appraisal must be done by a qualified person who physically examines an item.

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    Default Re: Baume et Mercier Bidynator (RE: 7baume60)

    It was not made by B & M! The movement was used in countless brand name watches of the era. It was made by Felsa, and the caliber number is (I am certain) 690. B & M on the dial does not signify that it was actually made by the company. There is no way to equate the current market value of your watch (e. g. ebay) by comparing your watch with current offerings by B & M. We do not discuss values on this MB. Sorry!
    Last edited by doug sinclair; 03-17-2010 at 12:29 PM.

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    Default Re: Baume et Mercier Bidynator (RE: 7baume60)

    At the time it was made, it would have been a fairly generic mid-grade watch; 17 jewels was low for an auto. It has no current market value, because there's nothing current in the market that compares to it....it's like asking the current market value of some mid-grade Ford sedan from 1970. A <new> mid grade ford sedan sells from 15-30k, but that doesn't really tell you anything at all about the value of the one from the 70's.
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    Default Re: Baume et Mercier Bidynator (RE: AbslomRob)

    Semantics? The current price of a 1970 Ford would depend on demand and condition. I don't see how it's price is related to a new Ford.
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    I'm aware that movements can be generic and used by different marques. The watch is badged as B&M, and that is good enough.

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    Default Re: Baume et Mercier Bidynator (RE: 7baume60)

    Okay, so then I might not understand what you're looking for. We can't judge condition by a photo, and demand for this type of watch will be low.
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    Default Re: Baume et Mercier Bidynator (RE: AbslomRob)

    Some watch companies made their own movements. LeCoultre, Omega, Rolex etc. This has changed today. The companies like B&M bought movements from ebauche (movement) makers like Felsa, A.S., ETA, Pesaux etc. The watch you are showing was made by B&M after they bought an ebauche from Felsa and put their name on it. It's one of the Swiss' little secrets that they didn't want customers to know. The watch company would assign their own caliber number on it as if they had made it.....only they didn't, they ordered it from Felsa. It doesn't mean that the watch is bad or less quality, there are many very high quality watches using Ebauche; Ebel, Breitling, Heuer, etc. even the most expensive brands sometimes used them as in the Valjoux 72 ebauche in the Rolex Daytona. For a complicated watch that was difficult to manufacture, it was cheaper to buy an ebauche. The Swiss could then put the same part in a different envelope and sell it as a brand exclusive part when the watchmaker may have already had the part on hand.

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    Default Re: Baume et Mercier Bidynator (RE: Dave Haynes)

    I can not accept the negative comments about this watch. It is an unpleasant attempt to disregard one of the best watch made by Baume & Mercier. The Baume & Mercier make watches but not the movements for their watches, just like other major brands like Ulysse Nardin, Cartier, etc. etc. All movements used by Omega from the 50's to 70's were made by Lemania,The Tissot, Longines and Certina has used ETA movements from the 70s until today. The movement of this Baume & Mercier Bidynator was made by Felsa, is the caliber 690 Bidynator one of the best automatic movements ever made and used in the Breitling watches of the 50s and 60s. If you have any doubt about quality of this watch, ask to any watchmaker.

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    Default Re: Baume et Mercier Bidynator (RE: Zuzy)

    To stage a scenario. Two identical watches, one marked B & M, and one marked Snicklefritz. Is it your assertion that the B & M would be worth more than the Snicklefritz? I live in a lunchbucket neighbourhood where a residential lot might be worth xxx dollars. I live about two miles from a neighbourhood where an equivalent lot would likely be worth xxxxxxxxx dollars! Just dirt! The difference? Merchandising! I have re-read the posts, and I don't see anything terribly disparaging about the comments. B & M is no longer owned by the outfit who made the subject watch. When it was made, it was an ordinary generic watch. B & M today is owned by the Richemont Group who market Cartier, Mont Blanc, Dunhill, Jaeger LeCoultre, Vacheron, Stern, among other prestige brands. They have gone "uptown"! Should a generic watch from the 1950s appreciate in value because it shares a name with a modern watch meant for the carriage trade? It is what it is, not what it might be based on some opinions. A spade is a spade, after all! High price of the modern equivalents doesn't "rub off" on an old, garden variety watch. Tough, but that's the way it is!

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    Default Re: Baume et Mercier Bidynator (RE: Zuzy)

    Sorry Zuzy, but I do believe you either mis-read, or misunderstood the comments within this post...

    Also, 7baume60 originally asked for a "valuation" which is clearly against forum rules (which most new members don't bother to take the time to read) and in my opinion there was "a negative reaction" by the OP to being informed of such a faux pas.

    Also, you stated....." It is an unpleasant attempt to disregard one of the best watch made by Baume & Mercier."
    That , my friend, is YOUR personal opinion and not necessarily shared by others!
    We will all agree and support your right to express it politely.


    Doug, very well said!!!!!!!!!!

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    Default Re: Baume et Mercier Bidynator (RE: Hawk53)

    I would just add
    The "bidynator" correctly posted by Doug was patented by Felsa actually in 1942, its invention made for the first time a Rotor self-winding mechanism (originally patented by Rolex in 1933) winds in 'both' directions, previous to that, and with Rolex too, they only wound in one direction.

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    Default Re: Baume et Mercier Bidynator (RE: Adam Harris)

    Considering that this thread was opened in March of 2010, and that the last entry from the original poster was also March 2010, I think it is safe that we can let the thread die! In fact, the latest post prior to Suzy's post of Dec. 18, 2014, also goes back to March of 2010! Where are you, Suzy? You have resurrected a post that is almost 4 years old!

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    Default Re: Baume et Mercier Bidynator (RE: doug sinclair)

    I'm guessing "one and done" Doug.

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    Default Re: Baume et Mercier Bidynator (RE: Hawk53)

    Agreed
    But even an old thread should have all the facts. No?
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