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    Question Looking for help - Railroad King - Illinois

    I am not a collector, but my grandfater worked for the railroad and I have an Illinois Watch that I would appreciate some information on. It is in a case with an embossed/engraved Deer Print. The watch movement says: Illinois Watch Co. Special for Railway Service, Railroad King, Safety Pinon, 17 jewels, and serial # 1064966.

    Any info would be greatly appeciated.

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    Default Re: Looking for help - Railroad King - Illinois (RE: Gladys)

    Hello,according to the Illinois database your watch is a model 3 grade 5 or 5s,18s and 17 jewels, made in the year 1890.Made about 1446 between 1885 and 1893.It was a Railroad Grade.Very nice RR watch!

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    Default Re: Looking for help - Railroad King - Illinois (RE: Gladys)

    Good morning Gladys,
    The watch you appear to have by the ser# is:
    18 size, should be in a Hunter Case, Lever set, either 15 or 17 jewel, Mdl# 2 Grade 61S
    It is adj. to temp, isochronisn and positions, made between 1883 -1904
    I believe prior to 1900, would be RR grade if so, and if it is marked adjusted, and safety pinion on movement.
    Hope this helps,
    Bill

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    Default Re: Looking for help - Railroad King - Illinois (RE: Bill Manders)

    It should be open face... Does the movement looks like this one?
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails 0-0-RR king.jpg  

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    Smile Re: Looking for help - Railroad King - Illinois (RE: andrew66)

    Andrew,
    Yes it looks very close to the picture, except that mine states Safety Pinon - Not Patent Pinon.

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    Default Re: Looking for help - Railroad King - Illinois (RE: andrew66)

    Gladys, just to emphasise something Andrew said, only 1,446 of this configuration were made, which makes it quite uncommon. We would all love to see some photos of this watch, when we could confirm that the information we've given you is indeed correct

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    Smile Re: Looking for help - Railroad King - Illinois (RE: Gladys)

    Also, forgot to answer - It has an open face. And on the face it states: Special for Railroad Service.

    Is this a rare watch?

    I will take pictures tonight and post tomorrow.

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    Default Re: Looking for help - Railroad King - Illinois (RE: Gladys)

    Gladys, very collectable watch.

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    Default Re: Looking for help - Railroad King - Illinois (RE: Gladys)

    Quote Originally Posted by Gladys View Post
    Is this a rare watch?
    I'd call it quite rare, but the word "rare" apparently is used to mean a watch of which a very specific (and very small) number were manufactured. I've forgotten what that number actually is, but I think it's nearer 50 than 1,466

    That's why I described it as "quite uncommon" in my post. As BKerr said, it is very collectible

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    Default Re: Looking for help - Railroad King - Illinois (RE: MartyR)

    Galdys.
    I apologize for giving the wrong info I again must have been having a senior moment, and had the serial number all wrong.
    I am happy that Andrew gave you the correct information.
    Bill

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    Default Re: Looking for help - Railroad King - Illinois (RE: Bill Manders)

    Hey Bill,no problem at all it happens to everybody!...i am just using the Illinois database so it is much easier to read all the data.

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    Default Re: Looking for help - Railroad King - Illinois (RE: Bill Manders)

    Gladys,
    Welcome to the board and thank you for sharing info on your RR King...

    The info given is quite corrrect... a model 3 (fifth pinion) grade 5 movement...

    The production figure given is also correct, though it is not narrowed down as to how many were Patent Pinion and how many were 'Safety Pinion"... these two terms actually mean the same thing.

    The dial is also uncommon with the 'special for railroad service' and is 'special' in its own right especially since the Model 3 dial is somewhat unique in its configuration of hole spacing.

    The watch was Railroad Grade in its time.

    When in condition, the simple gilded finish is also beautiful.

    We 'like' pictures if you are able to share them....

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    Default Re: Looking for help - Railroad King - Illinois (RE: terry hall)

    Hi Gladys:

    When people say Railroad grade (or RR grade), they mean that it is a railroad watch, accepted for railroad time service.
    Kent
    That guy down in Georgia

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    Default Re: Looking for help - Railroad King - Illinois (RE: Kent)

    Something worth emphasizing here is that only a small fraction of grade 5 movements were marked with the "Railroad King" marking, as most simply had Illinois factory markings or various other private labels.

    So the production figure quoted is for the grade as a whole, but examples Of the grade 5 marked RR King are scarcer and much more desirable than "ordinary" grade 5 movements. The correct dial your watch has is also a nice plus in it's favor.

    Fred
    Last edited by Fred Hansen; 03-01-2010 at 08:13 PM.

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    Thumbs up Re: Looking for help - Railroad King - Illinois (RE: Fred Hansen)

    Excellent Point Fred !!

    Bill Meggers listed an approximate production of 255 movements in Model 3, grade 5S in the private label section of 'the book'

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